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Please Enlighten me!

Hello Everyone!!
I am obviously new at this Forum and the major reason why I signed in is because I need some enlightenment or if you want to call it...a new real perspective...
I am a Swiss Citizen that never lived in Switzerland, I grew up in South America traveling around with my parents (Argentina, Uruguay, Brazil, Paraguay, Bolivia..etc) I came to USA for college and I meet my American husband 7 years ago. I recently had my first child and all I can really think is...what I am offering him for his future? and what will be the best for him in the long run??
I love Europe, I love Switzerland, I love the culture, the small villages, the live style, etc...I am a very simple person, with no big ambitions, a peaceful afternoon with my husband looking at the mountains will be my dream, watching my son running around in the grass it is everything my hearts desires.
My husband and I are just blue collar people that work really hard and struggle everyday here in New York City and I am tired of the rat race, the idea of 24/7...the city that never sleep, the poor or zero culture in US, the uncertainty of a better future for middle class, etc...etc.
What matter to me the most is being able to come home satisfied with my job and enjoy a good quality life away from big city USA.
My question is...Should I try to convince my husband to pack our stuff and move to Switzerland for a better life?... I have Family there that might be interested in helping us...How hard can it be to relocate?
Thank you for any comments. I am just a desperate Mom and bestfriend wife that want to enjoy the live we have.
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Old 13.09.2011, 17:19
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Re: Please Enlighten me!

You sound like an idea candidate for moving here!

Has your husband ever been to Switzerland? Maybe a long holiday here just to chill and explain to him the pace of life.

Nothing is for ever - schooling complications aside you can always move back.
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Old 13.09.2011, 17:23
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Re: Please Enlighten me!

I agree completely with Adrian. Come and smell the mountain air. Walk in the fields and show your husband the wonderful lakes.

I find the pace of life here much more reasonable and relaxed than London was for me.
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Old 13.09.2011, 17:33
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Re: Please Enlighten me!

Well if a slower pace is what you are looking for you may well find it here, as you are already Swiss you have none of the usual hurdles to jump. If you feel your family have the language/qualifications or work skills to survive here financially and if not the willingness to work to achieve them, well why not?
As long as the dream is mutual.
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Old 13.09.2011, 17:35
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Hello Everyone!!
I am obviously new at this Forum and the major reason why I signed in is because I need some enlightenment or if you want to call it...a new real perspective...
I am a Swiss Citizen that never lived in Switzerland, I grew up in South America traveling around with my parents (Argentina, Uruguay, Brazil, Paraguay, Bolivia..etc) I came to USA for college and I meet my American husband 7 years ago. I recently had my first child and all I can really think is...what I am offering him for his future? and what will be the best for him in the long run??
I love Europe, I love Switzerland, I love the culture, the small villages, the live style, etc...I am a very simple person, with no big ambitions, a peaceful afternoon with my husband looking at the mountains will be my dream, watching my son running around in the grass it is everything my hearts desires.
My husband and I are just blue collar people that work really hard and struggle everyday here in New York City and I am tired of the rat race, the idea of 24/7...the city that never sleep, the poor or zero culture in US, the uncertainty of a better future for middle class, etc...etc.
What matter to me the most is being able to come home satisfied with my job and enjoy a good quality life away from big city USA.
My question is...Should I try to convince my husband to pack our stuff and move to Switzerland for a better life?... I have Family there that might be interested in helping us...How hard can it be to relocate?
Thank you for any comments. I am just a desperate Mom and bestfriend wife that want to enjoy the live we have.

How DARE you impose your optimism and love of Switzerland on me?? I am offended!





Definitely come over; maybe just for a few weeks at first so you can look around, but I find that my quality of life has gone up since I moved here from Vancouver, Canada. What you described above is exactly the kind of life you can expect to lead here (maybe after a year or so, after you learn the language, find a job, settle in, etc).
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Old 13.09.2011, 17:54
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I recently had my first child and all I can really think is...what I am offering him for his future? and what will be the best for him in the long run??
Just had a forum member decide to move to the U.S. in the interest of their children's future. Remember, here they stream kids at an early age, so if you have a late bloomer who might have otherwise gone on to get a PhD he/she might be lucky to hit their career peak as a lab assistant or an electrician. I'm a big fan of the trades and trade schools (one thing that has in fact degraded in the U.S.), but you can leave high school there, work construction or whatever for 5 years, 10 years, as you like, and then still get a Uni degree with no problems whatsoever. Not so true here.

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My husband and I are just blue collar people that work really hard and struggle everyday here in New York City and I am tired of the rat race, the idea of 24/7...the city that never sleep, the poor or zero culture in US, the uncertainty of a better future for middle class, etc...etc.
As a Swiss you would certainly be able to work here of course, but blue collar jobs usually demand a good command of the local language. Are you fluent in one of the national languages?

I always see a red flag when someone says they're fed up with the U.S., often pointing to lack of culture or doomy gloomy government stuff. The U.S. is like 99.999% small towns or expansive prairies or forests (or deserts or mountains) by land area. In spite of that, you find little brew pubs in modest sized towns with brewmasters who can tell you the history of beer for the last thousand years. Wine experts who won't sneer at you because you don't know a pinot from a Welch's- instead they'll excitedly tell you more than you ever wanted to know about fermented grapes. Writer's workshops in the Midwest that attract the most prominent authors, playhouses, comedy troupes, garage bands, all kinds of stuff that you have to really really search for here. Quiet small town life is there in abundance. And you can buy a house for less than a couple million dollars, and even mow your lawn whenever you want

But if you really love it here and can afford the move and line up a job and speak the language and don't mind rule-ridden apartment life and no prospects of ever owning a home unless you have a large inheritance coming and like trains- by all means come on!
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Old 13.09.2011, 21:04
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Re: Please Enlighten me!

I don't know. Why don't you move away from NYC? There are lovely small town & mountains in the US. It will be an even harder slog moving to Switzerland.

ETA: I should really read the whole thread before I post. Mud said what I meant very well. I'm surprised, shocked really, that you say there is no culture in NYC. That's just not true at all. Anyway, there is plenty of culture in small towns as well. You just have to go out & look. I imagine that in NYC your life is probably too hectic to take advantage of what's there. As was said above, you don't say what you do but blue collar jobs without fluent local language skills will be very difficult. Check out smaller towns in the US for as simpler more human size lifestyle.
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Old 13.09.2011, 21:39
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Re: Please Enlighten me!

Switzerland definitely has advantages in some ways over the US...

The public transport is wonderful, the mountains are beautiful,
and the lifestyle is good.

The downside is that the Swiss are not open to foreigners
so much. Another downside is that they are quite set
in their thinking without a whole lot of creativity.

There is more than one way to skin a cat, but don't
tell that to a Swiss person.
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I've lived in NYC. That's pretty laughable right there.

If 'living the quiet life away from the big city' plus having 'real culture' is your goal, I'm afraid you're going to be sorely disappointed a lot no matter where you go.
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I've lived in NYC. That's pretty laughable right there.

If 'living the quiet life away from the big city' plus having 'real culture' is your goal, I'm afraid you're going to be sorely disappointed a lot no matter where you go.

That one got me as well. there is certainly culture in the US, especially NYC, it may not be one you find agreeable, but it exists. Not saying I am a big fan of much of the US culture (especially pop culture).

Though, I think you should try Switzerland, none the less. Not sure what you do, but NYC can be difficult on a modest income.
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Should I try to convince my husband to pack our stuff and move to Switzerland for a better life?... I have Family there that might be interested in helping us...How hard can it be to relocate?
Thank you for any comments. I am just a desperate Mom and bestfriend wife that want to enjoy the live we have.
I think the one thing you need to be certain of is how much family help can you count on and exactly what kind of help are they offering? A roof over your head until you can sort yourselves out or just picking you up at the airport?
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Re: Please Enlighten me!

Hi, I'm a brazilian who just moved to Switzerland. I used to live in Rio de Janeiro and work as a lawyer. I completely understand what you feel. I'm loving to live in Lausanne. It's peaceful, silent, organized, secure. I don't have kids, but I think here is a lovely place to rise a child.
Why don't you come for a visit and feel it by yourself?
If you need something... Please tell me.
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You write "My husband and I are just blue collar people that work really hard and struggle everyday here in New York City"

We have been over run here with good hard working people from the rest of Europe, some figures state 130,000 immigrants per year. I think a major problem will be finding a job here.

With your Swiss citizenship you have a head start, but it might still be difficult.

Would your relatives actively help you? If the answer is yes, then I would say come and try it. If no, then maybe moving away from NYC to a nicer part of USA might be a happier and easier move.
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Re: Please Enlighten me!

Hi!

Living here es un embole (it is boring). It depends on yours and your husband's education that you will be able to find a good job.
Plus here there is no cheap nanny and kindergarten must be reserved a while ahead.
Have you ever thought of Chile or Argentina?

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