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Old 17.11.2011, 22:33
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Hey All,

I have been following EF keenly the past few weeks as I have a couple of Job opportunities on offer In Switzerland.

I like what I have seen and heard about Switzerland so far. and am pleased to find a thriving expatiate community online.

I'm currently looking at options in both Bern as well as Basel, perhaps someone will be able to shine some light over the pros and cons of either location, My heart at present is geared towards Basel, mainly as It appears to have a more international multicultural feel to it (albeit i have not spend vast amount of times in either location just yet.

Financially, I guess it more or less turns out the same, however in Basel you have the opportunity to shop in Germany and so on , making your CHF stretch a little bit longer.

only direct question for me so far is re accommodation .. it appears furnished rental apartments are utterly rare or well above my financial means.. any good pointers

As for deposits on flats, how does it work with regards to deposit and advance payments ?

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Old 17.11.2011, 22:42
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Re: my First post.. Hi All and Basel vs Bern

Välkommen!

I think that Basel is better if you are looking for a bit more international environment and is surely better if you don't speak german. Zurich is also an alternative maybe?

When it comes to deposits it's often from 1 -3 months rent you have to pay in advance and this you get back(hopefully) when you move out. That depending on if you break something for example...
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Old 17.11.2011, 22:57
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Re: my First post.. Hi All and Basel vs Bern

Hello and welcome to the forum.

Basel is better, because as Tanya already said; it's more international. People in Bern are not very open. It's hard to find Swiss friends anyway, but people in Bern are very narrow minded.
And of course because Germany is much cheaper as Switzerland. You're in about 20 mins. in Germany.

It is not common to rent furnished flats in Switzerland.
But it's not very hard to find furniture for free or for little money.

As Tanya said, you have to pay 1-3 months rent for deposit, and the contract is generaly for 1 year. But only for the first year. You have 3 months period of notice to the end of every month except for December.

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Re: my First post.. Hi All and Basel vs Bern

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You have 3 months period of notice to the end of every month except for December.
Not always... in a lot of leases, you are restricted to giving your three months' notice notice for the end of March, June and September.

Two months' deposit seems to be the most common. I was surprised to only be asked for one month when I recently rented a new place.
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Re: my First post.. Hi All and Basel vs Bern

Hello and Willkommen!!

I'm from Bern and I hope I'm not narrow minded ..and because of that I would like to welcome more foreigners here, and if they are scandinavians vikings.....

maybe worth considering: there are less Finns in Berne than in Basel and life is a bit cheaper...


PS. ...but, as a narrow minded bernese I like Basel....and the Finns too

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I've lived in Bern - actually just south of Bern for 4 and a half years. It is very pretty here, and I've not seen a lack of openess in the people. We have lovely neighbors, all Swiss. However, I've not lived in Basel. I think the landscape is prettier in parts of Bern than Basel. But, if you're looking for an international environment, Basel may suit you better... There does seem to be a more active expat community. bern can be a little sleepy.
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Re: my First post.. Hi All and Basel vs Bern

I have to say I'm getting slightly concerned..as I am making the move from Basel to Bern (I've been in Basel for the past 5 ish years). People keep telling me how big of a change it will. Its hard to say, I mean I've visited Bern many times and it seems alright. Although, alot of what I've been hearing is that: Bern in more expensice, Basel has the bonus of shopping in Germany/France, as mentioned above people have said the Bernese are a much more closed group of people, and that Bern has less things going on..aka boring. I really don't know what to say, as I've not made the final move yet; but interested to hear from anyone who has lived in both Bern and Basel?
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Re: my First post.. Hi All and Basel vs Bern

Hi All , Thank you for the warm welcome to the forum and thank you for your Views, It does seem to me that Basel is the optimum Solution for me..

Tanya and FMX... is there a thriving Scandinavian community in Basel.. not that its a necessity, but I have been abroad for soo many years now that it would be nice to speak my native language before I finally forget it >>

Does it sound right that accommodation will cost around 1000 CHF for a small 2 room Apartment ?

any good accommodation sites apart from
homegate.ch and immoscout24.ch ??

anyone experienced with accommodation searches on
tutti.ch / gratis-inserate.ch / anibis.ch ??

I am considering living near Allschwil or perhaps more centrally in Basel..
Any comments, I am aware of the tax and rent differences, however looking for info re.. life in either locations, as its only a few minutes away from the town centre on the Tram I take it I will not be too isolated there..

once again your thoughts are much appreciated..
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Re: my First post.. Hi All and Basel vs Bern

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Does it sound right that accommodation will cost around 1000 CHF for a small 2 room Apartment ?
Välkommen!

1000 chf sounds cheap, I only know Zurich but I assume Bern/Basel is similar.

As for other places to look for accommodation I would recommend.... the english forum :-)
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Re: my First post.. Hi All and Basel vs Bern

Welcome to Switzerland ! I have lived in Basel for nearly 12 months now and it's brilliant - it's so easy to travel cheaply around Europe (as Easyjet fly from Basel airport) + like you mentioned so close to Germany to do some much cheaper shopping. Good luck with the job hunt !
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Re: my First post.. Hi All and Basel vs Bern

Hi Scandinavian Viking! :-)

Im Mary, from France and I live in Basel!

First of all i like your nickname! :-)
I might be able to help you since Ive lived both in Bern and Basel (Bern for 2 and a half years, Basel for to years).

I think it first depends on if you're into mountaineering or mountains in general (and winter sports) and love being in nature or if you are more a city guy! In Bern I really enjoyed the fact that i could be very easily in beautiful areas (even though im not a "mountain person), even the Aare (the river) is wonderful! Could never get enough of it! In Summer the atmosphere is very nice there.

Basel is a bit too industrial to me, and you need to take the train or the car to find some beautiful nature (otherwise, for a while, it's all about smoke stakes and industries). But its kind of fun too to swim down the Rhine after work in summer :-)

Bern is a bit sleepy at times, and the dialect is harder to understand than the one of Basel which is a bit closer to high German! Thank God, there are Swiss German courses! :-)

Also, Bern is a bit smaller than Basel, it gives more the feeling of being in a big village than in a proper city (I find Bern very typical of Switzerland). Basel is bigger (50'000 more people i think) and has a huge expat community (because of the 2 huge companies Novartis and Roche) but to me the expat community in Bern is pretty big too. I actually had a way better social life in Bern than in Basel! Not to mention that i prefer the bars in Bern than in Basel (I dont like R&B and hip Hop and that kind of stuff, and it seems that the bars only know that kind of music...). In Basel I've only found 1 or 2 "alternative" places so far, whereas in Bern its easyer to find small bars or venues for cocerts with a cool atmosphere! But Basel must have some potential Im sure, I still have many things to discover here i think!

As for accomodation, i could advise you to first share a flat (website: www.wg-zimmer.ch) for a couple of months, then you will have more time to look for your own place and get a bit used to the Swiss ways (and maybe to feel more comfortable financially too). Also, sharing a flat at the beginning can be a good way to meet new people!

You're right, the prices are about CHF 1000.- for a 2 rooms flat. For instance, i live near the town center in Basel and pay CHF 1090 for a bedroom, a living room, a sperated kitchen, a bathroom and a balcony. If you are willing to share a flat with another person, you can find nice 3 rooms flats for about CHF 700 a month each. If you live near Allschwil though, it might be a bit cheaper. DOnt know the prices in Basel Land actually! You have to be careful though, if Im not mistaken, taxes are higher in Basel Land than in Basel Stadt!

Another option would be to live in neighbouring France or Germany, like many people working in Basel do!

And definitely, its good to go to Germany or France to save some francs! :-)

Sooo, I hope I could help you a bit! Both cities are good I think (I personnaly prefer Bern to Basel though), but everything depends on what you are looking for!

Cheers for now! :-)

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Re: my First post.. Hi All and Basel vs Bern

Mange tak globe109 I will also have a look around EF for sure..

Thank you Fi-Australia for your input as well as the good luck wish, I just received a firm offer with start-date in January. all good times. I'm looking forward to a sudden hectic period getting all the practicalities sorted before the relocation. I must say I am quite exited, just awaiting a copy of the final contract. Basel prepare yourself for a Viking Invasion.

Also Thank you Mary for the sweet Compliment and fine description, According to which I could actually see myself living in either location. I am a born and bred City Dweller however I love also to have lush green sceneries mountains and lakes well within range (a bit of a contradiction of terms) Re winter sports I'm a recent beginner on ski, got just two seasons under my belt... I absolutely love it and hope to do more skiing in the years to come, but I'm sure Switzerland is a prime location for this.

The dialect (talking about the Swiss German one) is enough for me to get to grips with with for a start, without even considering the local ones, saw this ad with the weather guy on top of an anthill



Guess this is a true measure of full assimilation and integration into the Swiss Language and culture, guess not many ex-pats reaches that level quite.

Anyway I look forward to the experience of calling Basel for my new home. I will undoubtedly have loads of questions in the week to come and will probably be posting them here or in relevant threads.

once again, thank you all for your thoughts and comments, they are all much appreciated.
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Re: my First post.. Hi All and Basel vs Bern

@Scandinavian Viking: here links to Nordic / Finnish clubs in Switzerland.

http://www.nordiskclubschweiz.ch/

www.svff.ch

Maybe that's what you were looking for?
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Re: my First post.. Hi All and Basel vs Bern

Välkommen/Welcome to the forum!

Bern vs Basel - as others already said, it depends what you want - closeness to the mountains or living on the border to France/Germany.

I moved to Basel a bit more than 4years ago from Stockholm and moving to here is quite easy. Everything works. Basel is smaller than Sthlm, but has an international feel with quite an active expact community (check the Social Activity forum) and the location in the middle of Europe on the border to Germany/France is great.

There is quite a few Swedes in Basel, eventhough I only know a few besides myself, but there is a local Swedish Club; http://www.svenskaklubbenbasel.ch/ if you like more Swedish activities.
I've not participated in any of the activities myself - but you can most certainly contact them through their homepage to find out more.

Good luck with you decision!
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Re: my First post.. Hi All and Basel vs Bern

I finally done it !!! Bitten the Bullet, so to speak, I received my contract the day before yesterday, and have just submitted my letter of resignation to my current employer.. Now roll on January 2012 to the thrilling and exiting Basel Chapter...

Exiting times ahead !!!

See you all in Basel
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