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Old 03.08.2013, 15:10
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True, time change...but I would also add > avoid reading complains on EF or take them with a pinch of salt! * I admit they are my guilty pleasure tho
The Swiss are not that bad as they say..
Yep, I have the option open that if I am not able to "integrate" here over the time or if I cause problems to other people, I will pack my bags and move to some other country :P If I am able to keep the job, go bicycling at evenings and watching movies at home, I will be really happy here and probably others can not complain about me

What I have now seen here is that even there is complaints about "you are not allowed to flush toilet or go shower at night", people are living perfectly normal life and I was a bit doubting if the complaints would hold water in anyway based on the earlier visits

In my new neighbourhood people are listening music loud late at night, having barbeque, playing "bass enhanced" car stereos at the near parking place, walking against red light, driving bicycles on walking ways, speeding with cars, alcoholistics are drinking+yelling+fighting at park etc. Overall situation seems pretty much same as in Finland in that way
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Re: From Finland to Switzerland (maybe?)

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Some updates: I probably get fined in couple of weeks because of speeding & I got the customs fixed So I got in to the "business as usual" situation :P Now only concern is that am I able to keep the job or will I become "AussieSwiss" after all..
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Re: From Finland to Switzerland (maybe?)

After two years here, things are still looking good. Currently the only problem is that I personally am not capable of integrate to this society. And that is something I should work at
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.....I personally am not capable of integrate to this society. .....
Hahaha! Join the club!
After 10 years, my integration only started due to the advent of my dog.

Seems dogs or kids are the key.
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Old 22.01.2016, 01:55
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Has been a bumpy ride when looking back all the things which have happened. Overall there were no significant problems. Everyday I got food, water was coming from the tap, no electricity failures or heating problems during the winter times or things like that.

Going out of the basic needs there was lot of problems at work and also outside of the office during the first year. Then I got new boss and things got really good at the office as my work is difficult enough even without difficult persons around (and I am not the easiest one either). When looking the current situation, things are getting to even better direction:

- I was lucky and found a friend who made me stop drinking. One friend which supports me and vice versa is much better than 100 friends which makes the life like living in hell. Hopefully in future the decision holds or atleast would not lead me to the rock bottom again.

- Got a personal relief when I understood that I have some major signs of autism. Autism I can accept but complete stupidity would be too much. This could also explain why I have so much difficulties of communication with other people.

- Related to earlier, got interested if I really am stupid, but it seems that it could be somewhat possible to join the Mensa instead. And if I understand correctly, one thing which is asked about integration is that if I am member of any club, maybe Mensa could be counted as one

- Got also holidays planned for this year in a way which supports my "weird" lifestyle. It is funny how ed up one person can get when trying to be like everyone else, it could be so simple thing like holidays or some other daily stuff where I have to take completely different aproach than "normal" people or otherwise I end up into the troubles.

With these experiences I would say that I would be much more "integrated" by learning who I am, instead of trying to learn the local culture. As when finding the strengths, interests, and limits I think that the nature would then lead the way to find the correct hobbies and friends.

Now when looking back could be also that one of the reasons to move here was to get rid of the family members as they really did not support to find my way, instead of just the opposite and I was(/maybe still am) completely lost as a person when I came here.

I don't know if this post will help anyone, but I just wanted to share my experiences and feelings so far.
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Old 01.06.2016, 23:02
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Re: From Finland to Switzerland (maybe?)

Now the time is near. Had the last experiences and now wanting to go to "home". I just wish everything would be manageable and I would not need to pay for this experience for the rest of my life.

Learnt a lot, and hopefully other people would choose more wisely than I did.
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Now the time is near. Had the last experiences and now wanting to go to "home". I just wish everything would be manageable and I would not need to pay for this experience for the rest of my life.

Learnt a lot, and hopefully other people would choose more wisely than I did.
You can't generalize like that - it's up to each own to find his/her happiness. I left Finland 7 years ago and will never go back - I love Switzerland and have integrated very well. There's simply no return for me.

That being said, sorry to hear that you didn't like it, but don't blame yourself for trying. You wanted to try it, you had the courage to do it, it didn't fit you - but you tried and you learned along the way. Maybe you will be happier in Finland when you return and appreciate what you have there? Would you be that happy if you would not have tried? Probably not. Put things in perspective - these two years were not wasted at all.

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Old 04.06.2016, 00:20
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Re: From Finland to Switzerland (maybe?)

After taking a long deep breath, I have to say that going back to Finland, most likely would not give much. Better quality of living, yes, but otherwise nothing much.

I had a real mental breakdown, and these things often happens here. Better to just look forward to find proper place for retirement age and struggle now when still being young and somehow able to manage it.
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Re: From Finland to Switzerland (maybe?)

Sorry to hear about your struggles sniveri. After 1 year here I'm also heading back to Finland. As xandeo said I think you have to try to see it as an experience and something you at least attempted.

I also don't know what to expect from the move back but at least I'm relieved after having taken the decision.

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Re: From Finland to Switzerland (maybe?)

Sorry to hear about your bad experiences. Coming from Finland, I've spent almost exactly a year here now. Our plan was to spend at least two and then see how we feel. So we'll stay at least for another year. So far we are settling in but it was not long ago when especially my family was struggling. It seems that the one year mark can be a real low point for many.

It would be interesting if you could write about your experiences going back.

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Old 04.06.2016, 17:50
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Re: From Finland to Switzerland (maybe?)

It was very interesting reading your report over 4 years, thanks.
I do have a few thoughts though: Where ever you go, you take yourself with you and please don't be surprised if you got the same ol' problems when you get home. Happiness is not provided from outside, it's produced from within. The point in life is not to live up to "normal standard", it's to find what makes you happy, what you need for satisfaction. Once you found out about the latter, yes you can move to an enviroment where chances are high they will be provided/available. Like I need a lot of light and sun and hate to freeze .... you'll never meet me in Finnland, I want to speak my mind, have a - little at least - say in things and live as freely as possible .... you will never meet me in places like Russia, China. But apart from that I think I could live anywhere.

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Related to earlier, got interested if I really am stupid, but it seems that it could be somewhat possible to join the Mensa instead. And if I understand correctly, one thing which is asked about integration is that if I am member of any club, maybe Mensa could be counted as one
I tell you what, wild horses don't drag me into clubs. The only club I'm a member of is TCS (well, my cars actually). And in future only go to the Mensa if you like the food there.

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- I was lucky and found a friend who made me stop drinking. One friend which supports me and vice versa is much better than 100 friends which makes the life like living in hell. Hopefully in future the decision holds or atleast would not lead me to the rock bottom again.

- Got a personal relief when I understood that I have some major signs of autism. Autism I can accept but complete stupidity would be too much. This could also explain why I have so much difficulties of communication with other people.
Seems your time here brought you quiet a few developments (could have been anywhere though but you chose Switzerland)
I hope you stay off the booze when you get home, from what I hear that is not easy in Finnland. You're absolutly right, one good friend is more than 100 mates. The proverb says "Tell me who your friends are, and I'll tell you who you are" and not "tell me how many friends you have and I'll tell you who you are".

<<Autism I can accept but complete stupidity would be too much. Wrong approach, mate! First of all, you are comparing apples with pears here. And being different - may it be due to an illness or just plain choice - is a problem to people who can't deal with the variety of human kind, so they label it as intimidatingly as possible in hope to scare you to jump in line. Don't fall for that.

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With these experiences I would say that I would be much more "integrated" by learning who I am, instead of trying to learn the local culture. As when finding the strengths, interests, and limits I think that the nature would then lead the way to find the correct hobbies and friends.
There you go! I got the impression, you look for a place, where you fit. But I think you should go find a place, that fits you (your preferences, like I mentioned above). It may sound like the same thing on first read, yet it's not. You mentioned your "weird lifestyle", weird to whom? If it's to the others - who cares? I you find it weird - well, do you like it? If so, enjoy your "weird lifestyle" (I do).

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I was(/maybe still am) completely lost as a person when I came here..
Doesn't look it to me, even if you maybe got a few more miles to go but you seem to be heading in the right direction (and by "right" I don't mean "accepted" but "your" direction)

I hope you'll enjoy coming home to land and family and maybe you'll move on again after a while. I truly believe you need to set your focus on what you really want, live you life your way and once you do you will attract the people and things that match.

I hope you'll take a few good memories of Switzerland with you and do take some Frey-chocolate from Migros to your family! I've been told the TV-advert for it (the one about the uncle who only deserves socks) is in Finish
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Re: From Finland to Switzerland (maybe?)

As said in some of the earlier posts, I had a major mental breakdown :P Usually it happens during the weekend or Tue-Wed.

And with my level of authism, this is not the easiest place to live, but if I now look what has happened during last few months (or last few days), I have been given the freedom to be as retarted as I am, and on the streets I can walk like any other human being. This was hardly the case earlier.

Most of the time this has been only a test how much I can take before losing temper or starting to be violent. Pretty much like being in army or in prison.

Hard to say what has changed the situation, but if things continues like this and I can improve my lifestyle somehow, this could be the place to live.
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Re: From Finland to Switzerland (maybe?)

For reason or another I was given tasks at work today in level which a) brings people together b) gives atleast a slightest insight what normal people are facing during the day.

I felt so happy, and spent two hours with babbel at the evening
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Perhaps it's not the right place to ask it, but isn't Finland a more depressive place than Switzerland? I mean, less sunny hours, lower temperature, etc. I am just curious.
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Perhaps it's not the right place to ask it, but isn't Finland a more depressive place than Switzerland? I mean, less sunny hours, lower temperature, etc. I am just curious.
Actually one of the workmates complained that Switzerland is so dark place I had a bit troubles to hold my laughter. I personally don't care about the weather if it is raining or sunshine. As long as the apartment key doesn't freeze on my fingers while trying to get to home, the weather is ok.
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Perhaps it's not the right place to ask it, but isn't Finland a more depressive place than Switzerland? I mean, less sunny hours, lower temperature, etc. I am just curious.
True.

But: with lots of candles, design and special touch our nordic friends make even the smallest, far-away coffeeshop a cosy place.
Lower temperatures ? - wonderfull nature, ice-skating on lakes, sauna, nordic sweathers, a new experience.

Go and discover Finland !
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True.

But: with lots of candles, design and special touch our nordic friends make even the smallest, far-away coffeeshop a cosy place.
Lower temperatures ? - wonderfull nature, ice-skating on lakes, sauna, nordic sweathers, a new experience.

Go and discover Finland !
I plant to visit Finland in the short term but living in a place that has less sunny hours than the already dark Switzerland scares me to death.
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Perhaps it's not the right place to ask it, but isn't Finland a more depressive place than Switzerland? I mean, less sunny hours, lower temperature, etc. I am just curious.
On the average it's the same, it's just that summer time is sunny and nice 24/7, winter gloomy and sleety 24/7.

The main towns - Helsinki, Tampere, Turku - are quite pleasant and supportive of hobbies, culture, and weirdness. There's a bit of cosmopolitan vibe that offsets the darkness (and the flatness) a bit.

All the best, Sniveri, this has been an interesting progression to observe.
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Re: From Finland to Switzerland (maybe?)

I like places supporting weirdness.

OP - trying to fit in is futile, isn't it. Some cultures actually make one feel more autistic than others, in my experience. Maybe that has nothing to do with you. Maybe you could try to redefine "normalcy", to feel more normal...but why would one bother?

Congratulations. Mensa will probably be fun. Summers are wild, so much time and space to celebrate being different
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