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Old 20.03.2012, 16:26
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Re: Moving to Switzerland?

Good for you for taking the leap.

Check with your new HR department as they may will help in finding short term accommodation for you for the first few months. A lot of companies do that over here and obviously they are able to ask questions in the local language much easier.

Some websites to look at to get an idea of what's available, and to pursuit for longer term, are:

www.immostreet.ch
www.homegate.ch
www.immoscout24.ch
www.home.ch

All the sites have English as an option, although the property descriptions will probably be in French or German, depending on where you look for properties. Properties tend to be described in an odd way to us foreigners in that Swiss ignore kitchens and bathrooms when counting the number of rooms. So a 2 room will be a living/kitchen with bedroom, and you can even get a half room - 2.5 would be a living/dining room with bedroom.

Fribourg tends to divide by language according to which side of the river Sarine you're on. The side with the main town and cathedral is French while across the other side of the river is German speaking. This may be a factor, depending on which language you decide to learn. Also east towards Bern is German speaking, while west is French.

You'll have lots of questions we know, but we're happy to help if we can. Good luck.
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Old 20.03.2012, 16:27
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Right, i've done it... I've committed to the job. Let the pre-move panic set in and the eleventy billion forum questions commence.





Now to find and apartment.........
Congratulations, I hope you are happy in Fribourg. As for appartment hunting, www.comparis.ch is the most comprehensive, taking adverts from several other search sites, it even has a rather neat iPhone App (if you have and iPhone that is). Bear in mind, a studio will be advertised as 1.5 piece, one-bed as 2.5 and so on. Good luck.
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Old 20.03.2012, 16:39
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You've never been to Bern, have you
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Amen to that, a lot of my Bern-based friends are constantly moaning that there isn't a Paddy's-like bar in the city.
OK, OK, Bern is not exactly Rio de Janeiro in carnival time I prefer more European style bars to the UK/Irish-lite pubs though, so there's more catering to my taste there.

Most places seem entertaining after Saturday nights in Biel


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A round trip-ticket Bern<>Freiburg is only 13CHF with 1/2 tax abo, I think there's some local "zone" abos as well, so I'm not sure a GA would be worth it, altho yea if you can put it on expenses or something then it'd be nice.
240*13 + 165 = 3285 CHF. So you need to spend 65 CHF on travel in the whole of the rest of the year to make a GA worthwhile. Think that's justifiable

(Yes, I know there are Streckenabos, but then you add on the public transport to and from the station and, and.... basically as a rule of thumb, if you have a commute and plan to do the slightest bit of travelling at the weekend, the GA becomes economical. Your mileage may vary, however)
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Old 20.03.2012, 16:39
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Re: Moving to Switzerland?

I'll just have to live on Crackers and cheese then...

PS: I did the same check and put in Graphics in the relevant industry with my experience level etc etc and it came out roughly where they put it. I have never been a mercenary for money, just so long as i have enough to get by with my chosen lifestyle. Thanks anyway
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Sorry, that salary is too low for your age and profession, I just checked Statistik Schweiz for you, "Publishing, audiovisual and broadcasting" (the closest I could find to your profession) has a median (not average!) gross monthly wage of 6676.- CHF! In other regions in Switzerland (Zürich, for example: 8517.-) it's significantly higher. Anything below 6'500.- is unacceptable in my opinion, and no Swiss person would accept it.

But salary aside, Fribourg is a boring place, as someone else mentioned, check out Bern, Lausanne if you're not too much into small town boredom.
http://www.bfs.admin.ch/bfs/portal/e...h_branche.html

edit: feck, you already accepted.. any way you can renegotiate?
I've yet to meet a single person in my field earning what that site claims is the "average". The accuracy of the statistics might vary by profession, but I'm not convinced enough by it to base a wage renegotiation on it.
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Old 20.03.2012, 16:42
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I'll just have to live on Crackers and cheese then...
Cheese will not be an issue here . I'd bring your own crackers though.
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Old 20.03.2012, 16:51
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Sorry, that salary is too low for your age and profession, I just checked Statistik Schweiz for you, "Publishing, audiovisual and broadcasting" (the closest I could find to your profession) has a median (not average!) gross monthly wage of 6676.- CHF! In other regions in Switzerland (Zürich, for example: 8517.-) it's significantly higher. Anything below 6'500.- is unacceptable in my opinion, and no Swiss person would accept it.

But salary aside, Fribourg is a boring place, as someone else mentioned, check out Bern, Lausanne if you're not too much into small town boredom.
http://www.bfs.admin.ch/bfs/portal/e...h_branche.html

edit: feck, you already accepted.. any way you can renegotiate?
I'm not sure how you can come to that comparison based on the description "graphics job".
Tell me, have you been to Fribourg recently?
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Old 21.03.2012, 08:12
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I've yet to meet a single person in my field earning what that site claims is the "average". The accuracy of the statistics might vary by profession, but I'm not convinced enough by it to base a wage renegotiation on it.
These are statistics based on actual salaries earned, straight from the government (taxes anyone?) The salaries are as precise it gets plus any undeclared earnings, so in some professions slightly higher even.
There's unskilled, skilled and highly skilled jobs in each profession and that's how the government divides it. And it's the median wage, not the average, which would be a good bit higher of course.
I have yet to meet a foreigner around my age who hasn't got a salary well below what an equivalent Swiss person would earn, and I know many. Perhaps that's a good thing, some say, as it drives down insanely high salaries, but there's still a massive difference between salary expectations of high ranking execs (who on average earn more than their Swiss peers) and normal, high educated foreigners working here.
5'500.- gross / month is what a normal, not specially skilled office job should get you in Zürich without a University degree.
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Old 21.03.2012, 08:16
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I'm not sure how you can come to that comparison based on the description "graphics job".
Tell me, have you been to Fribourg recently?
Well that's the closest I could find in the above mentioned Swiss statistics sectors, got a better suggestion? The median wage is an average of Espace Mittelland (SO, BE, FR, JU, NE) which has some of the lowest salaries in Switzerland. As to your question, no, I have not been to Fribourg recently, but wouldn't know how that would affect the figures at the government's disposal.
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Old 21.03.2012, 10:50
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Sorry, that salary is too low for your age and profession, I just checked Statistik Schweiz for you, "Publishing, audiovisual and broadcasting" (the closest I could find to your profession) has a median (not average!) gross monthly wage of 6676.- CHF! In other regions in Switzerland (Zürich, for example: 8517.-) it's significantly higher. Anything below 6'500.- is unacceptable in my opinion, and no Swiss person would accept it.

But salary aside, Fribourg is a boring place, as someone else mentioned, check out Bern, Lausanne if you're not too much into small town boredom.
http://www.bfs.admin.ch/bfs/portal/e...h_branche.html

edit: feck, you already accepted.. any way you can renegotiate?
"Publishing, audiovisual & broadcasting" is too vague. "Graphics" tends to be the lower paid of the group. Of course we don't know enough about his job/qualifications to do a salary comparison for him. He didn't ask us that.

But.... I did a calculation and got 5008-6430 (x12), which seems in line with what he is being offered. 5300(x13).
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Welcome!!! Wow what a decision. I'm originally from edinburgh but we moved to Fribourg about 6 months ago. And LOVE it here!! There is so much to do and the weather is gradually becoming better than Scotland. Even though the winter was proper winter we were never in the house. Always out skiing or meeting friends.
There is a huge ex pat community here that are all friendly and welcoming and Paddy's bar is not a bad wee place to meet up for a few beers.
I hope you love it here as much as we do. And if you want to meet for a beer give us a shout!!
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"Publishing, audiovisual & broadcasting" is too vague. "Graphics" tends to be the lower paid of the group. Of course we don't know enough about his job/qualifications to do a salary comparison for him. He didn't ask us that.

But.... I did a calculation and got 5008-6430 (x12), which seems in line with what he is being offered. 5300(x13).
True, we don't know the specifics, I just wanted to point out that he's at the lower end of the normal salary range, and that someone his age would usually make quite a bit more. Nothing to change now, but something to consider in half a year or year's time to renegotiate salary.
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But salary aside, Fribourg is a boring place, as someone else mentioned, check out Bern, Lausanne if you're not too much into small town boredom.
This sentence was the reason for my question; you call it boring yet haven't "been to Fribourg recently".

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As to your question, no, I have not been to Fribourg recently, but wouldn't know how that would affect the figures at the government's disposal.
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This sentence was the reason for my question; you call it boring yet haven't "been to Fribourg recently".
maybe he can just extrapolate from the rest of switzerland!
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This sentence was the reason for my question; you call it boring yet haven't "been to Fribourg recently".
You have a point if it changed beyond recognition in the last 2-3 years but otherwise I would like to think that I knew it well enough to have a qualified opinion on it.
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Re: Moving to Switzerland?

I would say don't compare everything to the UK. There is no point moving to Switzerland and expecting to have the same life you had in Manchester or wherever you will be quickly disappointed.

If you want the British pub culture life then I would stay in the UK. You won't find people drunk, staggering the streets or even drinking to excess in general (thank god). What you will find is a healthier, outdoorsy life in a well organised, and yes, expensive country. You will be fine with your wage if as you say you are not a particularly extravagant person, especially if you have any kind of cooking skills!
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You have a point if it changed beyond recognition in the last 2-3 years but otherwise I would like to think that I knew it well enough to have a qualified opinion on it.
Oh dear, this thread is starting to remind me of all the messages I read from "Canadian Dude" after I had decided to move here!

Fribourg isn't that bad . There is enough going on if you look in the right places, and you are so close to Bern and close enough to Lausanne that you can still enjoy the "big city" social scene.

P.S. I will be reluctantly letting go of my apartment soon if you are interested.....there is a pretty good cave bar a stones throw away (no signs etc to keep the non-fribourgeois away)!

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Re: Moving to Switzerland?

Well I'm coming to Fribourg so I will just have to wait and see. I plan to spend most of my free time exploring or on my Bike/Snowboard so I am sure I will be kept busy.

I would have jumped at your flat if it was available earlier, I need to be there by the end of April to start work May 1st. Just out of interest does your place have parking?



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What is this cave you speak of? i have seen it mentioned on several threads but not really sure what it is referring too. Basement maybe?
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Well I'm coming to Fribourg so I will just have to wait and see. I plan to spend most of my free time exploring or on my Bike/Snowboard so I am sure I will be kept busy.

I would have jumped at your flat if it was available earlier, I need to be there by the end of April to start work May 1st. Just out of interest does your place have parking?



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What is this cave you speak of? i have seen it mentioned on several threads but not really sure what it is referring too. Basement maybe?
A cave is a basement. But it's more a cellar. So it could be used as a storage place, like in your apartment or a wine/beer cellar.

So in this case, these caves are like bar/pubs.
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