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Take a read, see what you think! :)

Hello there! Thankyou for reading this post.

First off let me introduce myself.

My name is Samuel Trudgian, I'm 19 and I was born in the United Kingdom. I studied IT at college for two years of which finished summer last year. After this period I decided to move onto Switzerland as it was the country that my fiance is living in and I wanted to make a new start and put my foot in the door and make something of my life as well as enjoy the beautiful scenery of this wonderful country.

Deciding this I packed my bags and moved to Switzerland, September last year. I learned a lot of German in this time and I tried my best to apply for jobs , I applied for about 500-600 jobs, some of which were out of my range however I showed I was willing for the position, 3 of which I heard back from.

I had to move back to the United Kingdom after an unfortunate accident with my heel and I had to have it looked at as I had no medical care contract here in Switzerland nor was I signed up to the local council.

I am now back in Switzerland after recuperation and I am learning German faster than ever and I am consequently now searching for jobs all over the place.

I am a very enthusiastic person when it comes to work, very punctual. I am mainly interested in IT work, however it would be junior because my experience is lacking but my work ethics and my enthusiasm is not.

If IT fails I am more than happy to change career paths just so I can provide for me and my fiance, I have a very professional telephonic manner and have had around 3 years experience working with customer needs and working with them over the phone and face to face, also working to customer specification.

I thought it's time I get myself out there and known and what better place than here!

I hope you took the time to read a little bit more about me and if you would like to know more about me further I can send you a CV or we can converse etc.

Thank you for your time.

Samuel.
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Re: Take a read, see what you think! :)

how in the heck do you learn German in Switzerland? I've been here a year and I haven't learned any more than what I came with. I have, however, learned to say:

Chöond Sii bitte dä Polizai aalütä? Ich bi beschtolä wordä! Mir müänd no äs Abgabeprotokoll machä! Ich will mis Gäld zrugg!
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Hello Samuel, and welcome to the forum.

There's nothing I can do for you, I'm afraid, but I wanted to wish you good luck .

I'm sure that with that attitude, you'll find something in no time.
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My fiance is Swiss German and so are all her family so being in a German orientated environment help a lot! I am also learning high German alongside Swiss German.
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Thank you for your reply J.Marple I appreciate even that you have taken your time just to say that you couldn't help. Some people don't even do that!
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If IT fails I am more than happy to change career paths just so I can provide for me and my fiance, I have a very professional telephonic manner and have had around 3 years experience working with customer needs and working with them over the phone and face to face, also working to customer specification.
Samuel, just so we are clear, are you marrying a man or a woman? As I understand it, a fiance is male, and a fiancee is female .

Glad you are learning German, Swiss or otherwise. It will make your life sooo much easier.
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Yes my fiance is the same age as me and is a woman
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sorry, my fiancee
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Welcome to EF and to Switzerland. So great to hear your German is improving fast, it will really help. Bonne chance with finding a job
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Your should be aware that at 19, you're competing with the apprenticeship market. This could make it difficult to break into your chosen career.
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Your should be aware that at 19, you're competing with the apprenticeship market. This could make it difficult to break into your chosen career.
Of course , yeah I totally agree, that's why I'm opening up to any area, I just need to get into work, even if it means I have an employer who will take me on and train me, but pay me less I wouldn't mind this at all , I just want to gain experience so that it's better for me in the future and also to just break into work so that I have a lot more of a secure lifestyle.
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The thing is, the apprenticeship system is kind of integrated into the educational system, which you've not been part of. I'm not saying it's impossible, but you could understand if they were biased toward a Swiss educated applicant.

Do consider going self-employed. Jobs may be hard to find, but clients often aren't.
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If anyone has any information that could help at all, it would be really appreciated!

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Welcome Sam and best of luck!
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(I) put my foot in the door (and) after an unfortunate accident with my heel and I had to have it looked at as I had no medical care contract here in Switzerland nor was I signed up to the local council.

That will teach you

Welcome to the forum - nice post and I'm sure you'll find something with your "can do" attitude.

By the way, really "500-600 jobs"? Since last September? 3-4 applications per day? I admire your dedication but suggest that it might be an idea to focus a little more. It must be emotionally draining to try to do that quantity of applications and it must (more importantly) be impossible to customise your CV or application letters well enough to give yourself a serious shout at the jobs

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Welcome to the forum - nice post and I'm sure you'll find something with your "can do" attitude.

By the way, really "500-600 jobs"? Since last September? 3-4 applications per day? I admire your dedication but suggest that it might be an idea to focus a little more. It must be emotionally draining to try to do that quantity of applications and it must (more importantly) be impossible to customise your CV or application letters well enough to give yourself a serious shout at the jobs

Good luck
Haha , there's nothing like some light hearted conversation in these matters! I'll tell you what actually happened, I was attempting to make a hand made Christmas reef for my fiancee's family and I attempted to catch some leaves and I jumped and didn't land right. That sounds event more stupid than a foot in the door!

On a serious note.

Thank you for the welcome!

I did tailor make every single CV I was literally at home all day and all night so sometimes it was a little bit more than 3-4 a day and I just wasn't getting anywhere, and yes it was very emotionally draining, in fact I fell into a slight depression as the conditions at home weren't too good either, but now I'm in a different place with my fiancee, well, with her dad now instead of her mum.

This makes all the difference because their personalities are completely different, this time being more supportive. I am pacing myself switching between learning German and Swiss German and I am now a lot, lot happier.

This is all good and well but, I'm afraid that if I don't find a job the same will happen, and I don't want that to happen because I get into a state of:

"I only want a job, how hard is it, some people want big houses or cars, I only want a job"

And I know that's how a lot of people feel but it really gets you down, I'm sure some of you can empathise with that.

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Hello Samuel

Welcome to the crazy world of the Swiss jobs market. 3% unemployment but finding a job can be much harder than in England with 9% unemployment.

The problem is that you are not the only one who wants to work here.

On the upside IT is set to expand in Switzerland and has fantastic long-term prospects.

http://www.20min.ch/finance/news/story/15242308

I have been in Switzerland for seven years and have found a few jobs in this time. Here are a few things that are important for employers.

Language skills: Some companies just want English skills (at the university, Novartis or maybe at a bank) Some demand a high level of spoken and written German or French. Some customer service sectors demand native Swiss German (The companies want to sell themselves as a Swiss product) this may include IT support. Find out what the requirement is for your job area.

Visa requirements: Swiss nationals are considered first, then people with C-permits, then people with B-permits and most companies require more thanan L-permit. Some companies will help you to get a permit.

Qualifications: Many employers understand the value of Swiss qualifications but not of foreign qualifications which are an unknown quantity for them. I have been refused a job on the grounds of not having anapprenticeship although my degree covered every aspect of the apprenticeship qualification and more.

References: Even if you only work for someone in Switzerland for a short time you can get a written reference from them. This will improve your chances.

I always ask why a company has rejected my application and badger them until I get an answer. Each time I learn and can develop through the experience. One company said " Your spoken German's not good enough"so I did an intensive German course and applied again and got the job . The best way is to phone them and ask them for some feedback to aid your personal development. They will be more honest on the phone than in an email.

I think you have three main options:

-Get an entry level IT job here in Switzerland (may be very difficult)
-Get an entry level IT job in the UK and return to Switzerland in a few years with experience and much better job prospects.
-Get any job you can find and then get a qualification that leads to a specific job. (or, in the worst case the other way round)

I hope this helps

William

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Re: Take a read, see what you think! :)

You write "I studied IT at college for two years of which finished summer last year" but do you have a qualification, a "City & Guilds" or something similar?

http://tel.local.ch/en/d/St-Gallen/9...here=St+Gallen

If you do, you should go to the Swiss BIZ center ( Berufsberatungs- und Informationszentrum) and ask how you can get this piece of paper recognised here. You should go to your local BIZ anyway and study the opportunities.
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You write "I studied IT at college for two years of which finished summer last year" but do you have a qualification, a "City & Guilds" or something similar?

http://tel.local.ch/en/d/St-Gallen/9...here=St+Gallen

If you do, you should go to the Swiss BIZ center ( Berufsberatungs- und Informationszentrum) and ask how you can get this piece of paper recognised here. You should go to your local BIZ anyway and study the opportunities.
Yes I have a BTEC National Diploma for It Practioners at an "Merit,Merit,Merit" which in UK terms is worth 240 UCAS points.

Would they recognise that if I put scans in the CV? I'm hoping so but if I were to get it recognised what format would it be in? (The link is broken on my browser)

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