Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Living in Switzerland > Introductions  
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 20.04.2012, 18:00
Newbie
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Geneva
Posts: 4
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Applesauce has no particular reputation at present
Not in Geneva yet...

...but we're on our way. I just got a job at the University, and am starting the paperwork. I guess. There's a lot of paperwork, as I understand it, and I very much hope that the University is in charge of most of it - we have enough to button up here, what with selling two cars and a house!

It gets crazier: I'm unconditionally bringing my girlfriend (whom I believe I should make my legal wife, for visa purposes?), and we're three months pregnant. This is most certainly the craziest thing either of us have ever done, but I think we're both emotionally well equipped for the many, many hurdles we'll have to jump over.

I won't be making much money - at least, not by Geneva standards - and am very curious about our living options. (Having said that, we won't be arriving shoeless and broke - but maybe by Geneva standards!) This will not be either of our first times living in Europe. I have heard rumours that many Genevans choose to live over the border in France?

I just got the news yesterday that the job was mine, and am over the moon with mixed excitement, trepidation, and sheer terror. I plan to explore the board much, much further than I have so far. But in the meantime, I appreciate any suggestions for how/where to begin the search for housing, an expat-friendly birth facility, etc.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 20.04.2012, 18:14
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Not in Geneva yet...

Welcome here, Geneva is a nice place, especially to raise a kid, but it will be tough to find you're housing. Hopefully the university can help.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 20.04.2012, 18:31
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Geneva
Posts: 4,019
Groaned at 37 Times in 31 Posts
Thanked 5,612 Times in 2,012 Posts
McTAVGE has a reputation beyond reputeMcTAVGE has a reputation beyond reputeMcTAVGE has a reputation beyond reputeMcTAVGE has a reputation beyond reputeMcTAVGE has a reputation beyond reputeMcTAVGE has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Not in Geneva yet...

Bienvenue a Geneve! We felt exactly like you two years ago, a mixture of excitement, joy, sadness at leaving friends, anxiety as to the unknown and a great deal of stress too! People say a move is one of the most stressful things in your life, add to that to a new country + baby on the way and you score quite high! BUT you will not regret it! With its downsides (not hugely picturesque compared to other Swiss cities, third most expensive city in the world, and you'll quickly discover why, rising crime, a bit of a show off city, awful trafic jams...), Geneva is also lovely in many other areas (beautiful surroundings, an all year round outdoor life, gorgeous parks and nice cafes, many wonderful people, good size town, fantastic to raise children, crossroads to many exciting European countries...). We never looked back!

Below are some useful links (I hope to give you an idea of accommodation):
http://www.homegate.ch/rent/real-est...ault&l=default
www.ghi.ch (In French: click on "consulter les petites annonces, then on to "immobilier" and finally "locations"=rental)
http://www.immoscout24.ch/IS24Web/_V...=0&wl=1&lng=en

This should start you up. A good website is also the tpg map (the Geneva public transport) http://www.tpg.ch/_pdf/horaire-et-re...20.02.2012.pdf to give you an idea of how a particular area is well or not well served by transport.

Good luck and let us know how things are going. I'll let someone else deal with the maternity/baby stuff!

Quote:
View Post
...but we're on our way. I just got a job at the University, and am starting the paperwork. I guess. There's a lot of paperwork, as I understand it, and I very much hope that the University is in charge of most of it - we have enough to button up here, what with selling two cars and a house!

It gets crazier: I'm unconditionally bringing my girlfriend (whom I believe I should make my legal wife, for visa purposes?), and we're three months pregnant. This is most certainly the craziest thing either of us have ever done, but I think we're both emotionally well equipped for the many, many hurdles we'll have to jump over.

I won't be making much money - at least, not by Geneva standards - and am very curious about our living options. (Having said that, we won't be arriving shoeless and broke - but maybe by Geneva standards!) This will not be either of our first times living in Europe. I have heard rumours that many Genevans choose to live over the border in France?

I just got the news yesterday that the job was mine, and am over the moon with mixed excitement, trepidation, and sheer terror. I plan to explore the board much, much further than I have so far. But in the meantime, I appreciate any suggestions for how/where to begin the search for housing, an expat-friendly birth facility, etc.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 20.04.2012, 18:40
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Blonay
Posts: 54
Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post
Thanked 23 Times in 12 Posts
JR1965 has no particular reputation at present
Re: Not in Geneva yet...

We just arrived from Canada (Toronto) too although in the Blonay area. If I could do one thing different it would be legally marry my common in law wife. It just makes it easier and especially if you are having a baby. Its not that its impossible to do its just makes life simpler when registering with the various government bodies in Switzerland.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 21.04.2012, 06:02
miniMia's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: romandie
Posts: 9,975
Groaned at 101 Times in 92 Posts
Thanked 9,106 Times in 4,522 Posts
miniMia has a reputation beyond reputeminiMia has a reputation beyond reputeminiMia has a reputation beyond reputeminiMia has a reputation beyond reputeminiMia has a reputation beyond reputeminiMia has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Not in Geneva yet...

Yes. You are better off getting married. But if you are non-EU you probably won't be able to live in France as you'd need a French resident permit.

Good luck with your move & congrats on the baby!
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 22.04.2012, 14:23
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Geneva
Posts: 47
Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post
Thanked 27 Times in 14 Posts
madfuzu is considered knowledgeablemadfuzu is considered knowledgeablemadfuzu is considered knowledgeable
Re: Not in Geneva yet...

I'd also recommend you get married. Unless you're really not ready for some reason or have a very strong principle against the idea, and are prepared to do battle with authorities in a country that still considers marriage the norm, then save yourselves a big (repeated) hassle and just do it.

Accomodation is just like any big city: nobody on a "normal" salary can afford to live in the centre unless they're prepared to take the smallest crappiest thing available. Generally, the further out you go or the poorer the area the more you will get. Like you, everyone is trading commute time for money. Which is more valuable to you: an extra hour every morning and evening at home, or an extra CHF 1-5000 per month to spend? There's no answer until you have a budget or a preference (time versus money). Load of people live in France, and doing so is entirely viable, but establishing yourself in France as a commuter (frontalier) is a different process than establishing yourself in Switzerland. The sooner you decide for one or the other (and stick with it) the sooner you can make decisions about the rest of the tens of dependent decisions (whether you need a car, what permits you need, whether you can buy or rent, where to find a bank, mobile phone, etc.)

Good luck
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 22.04.2012, 18:49
Newbie
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Geneva
Posts: 4
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Applesauce has no particular reputation at present
Re: Not in Geneva yet...

Thanks for the responses, everyone! We have just finished up ski season here, which means leaving my girlfriend's club/employer, and a busy weekend with a whole bunch of goodbyes. (And that's another subject: anyone know anyone looking for a phenomenal, world-class ex-nats-team ski coach? I'm hoping the Geneva/Chamonix region will prove profitable on this front, too...)

First up, I guess we'll marry. Second, among the many other things I have to get in touch with the University about, I will get in touch with them regarding housing. I very much suspect there will be someone there who can help. Third, I'll look into whether whatever visa we'll be acquiring will qualify us to live in France, though I somewhat doubt it will. Fourth, I need to get cracking on some kind of midwife arrangements...

I also have to ask: what kind of vehicle requirements should we anticipate having? Living in Paris I wouldn't have DREAMED of buying a car - let alone buying or renting a place to park it. Could we save enough living out of range of transit to warrant buying a car? The wife (we'll call her) is a typical western Canadian insofar as she hasn't ever lived without a car - and generally one parked in an attached garage.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 22.04.2012, 18:54
Newbie
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Geneva
Posts: 4
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Applesauce has no particular reputation at present
Re: Not in Geneva yet...

Also, I should add - and this is probably a question for the University - does the type of visa I will receive qualify my better half to work, too? Is this another reason to be sure we're legally married?
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 22.04.2012, 19:01
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Geneva
Posts: 47
Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post
Thanked 27 Times in 14 Posts
madfuzu is considered knowledgeablemadfuzu is considered knowledgeablemadfuzu is considered knowledgeable
Re: Not in Geneva yet...

Another option, if you have to live in Switzerland for permit reasons, is to live in Vaud. Apart from a few places that are super close to Geneva or Lausanne, or with lake views, availability and prices are generally better than prices in Geneva.

If you can get close to a railway station you could commute by train/tram/bus, but I think your "wife" will find life "out in the sticks" (how it will feel if you're used to big city convenience) hard enough without a car. Especially with a baby. But if she'll tolerate an European car (tiny) then you'll find it relatively economic to buy and run.

At hundreds of CHF per month to run a car, versus thousands of CHF per month to rent a place to live, I think you'll easily save enough to pay for a car.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 23.04.2012, 10:02
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: la cote
Posts: 3,608
Groaned at 21 Times in 13 Posts
Thanked 3,257 Times in 1,712 Posts
runningdeer has a reputation beyond reputerunningdeer has a reputation beyond reputerunningdeer has a reputation beyond reputerunningdeer has a reputation beyond reputerunningdeer has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Not in Geneva yet...

Quote:
View Post


I also have to ask: what kind of vehicle requirements should we anticipate having? Living in Paris I wouldn't have DREAMED of buying a car - let alone buying or renting a place to park it. Could we save enough living out of range of transit to warrant buying a car? The wife (we'll call her) is a typical western Canadian insofar as she hasn't ever lived without a car - and generally one parked in an attached garage.
Have a look at some of the transportation or Geneva threads. In my opinion having a car in Geneva is more a hassle than a help, and prohibitively expensive to boot. Many housing does not come with parking, and to find parking or rent parking is not easy and expensive. Public transport is good, and on the odd occasion you would want to drive somewhere, there is Mobility car share.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 27.04.2012, 10:05
TC. TC. is offline
Newbie 1st class
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Geneva
Posts: 10
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
TC. has no particular reputation at present
Re: Not in Geneva yet...

I live in Vaud, working In Geneva. Public transportation is complicated and taking 2x times longer than going by car. Since the new TPG schedule, I only go by car in Geneva. You have to know some traffic tricks though.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 27.04.2012, 10:13
grynch's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Geneva/Vaud
Posts: 4,945
Groaned at 50 Times in 46 Posts
Thanked 5,199 Times in 2,354 Posts
grynch has a reputation beyond reputegrynch has a reputation beyond reputegrynch has a reputation beyond reputegrynch has a reputation beyond reputegrynch has a reputation beyond reputegrynch has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Not in Geneva yet...

Quote:
View Post
I live in Vaud, working In Geneva. Public transportation is complicated and taking 2x times longer than going by car. Since the new TPG schedule, I only go by car in Geneva. You have to know some traffic tricks though.
I suppose it all depends on where you live and work... I live in Mies ( Vaud ) and I drive in most days but on days I choose to take the train...its a simple 15 minute train ride and either a 10 min walk or a 3 stop bus ride.

like I said... it really depends if you're on the Regio line.. and work is reasonably close to a station.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 27.04.2012, 10:16
TC. TC. is offline
Newbie 1st class
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Geneva
Posts: 10
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
TC. has no particular reputation at present
Re: Not in Geneva yet...

Yes you're right. If you're working near Bel-air then it's quicker and simplier by train. I'm in Tannay, 2 steps from the station. But carouge is not really near cornavin, so that's why. Will work somewhere else soon =)
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 27.04.2012, 10:21
grynch's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Geneva/Vaud
Posts: 4,945
Groaned at 50 Times in 46 Posts
Thanked 5,199 Times in 2,354 Posts
grynch has a reputation beyond reputegrynch has a reputation beyond reputegrynch has a reputation beyond reputegrynch has a reputation beyond reputegrynch has a reputation beyond reputegrynch has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Not in Geneva yet...

Quote:
View Post
Yes you're right. If you're working near Bel-air then it's quicker and simplier by train. I'm in Tannay, 2 steps from the station. But carouge is not really near cornavin, so that's why. Will work somewhere else soon =)
ohh... I did that commute for awhile myself ... I worked just near what is now La Praille and absolutely hated it ( the commute, and the job actually )
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 27.04.2012, 14:16
Newbie
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Geneva
Posts: 8
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
dspaulson has no particular reputation at present
Re: Not in Geneva yet...

Quote:
View Post
I also have to ask: what kind of vehicle requirements should we anticipate having? Living in Paris I wouldn't have DREAMED of buying a car - let alone buying or renting a place to park it. Could we save enough living out of range of transit to warrant buying a car? The wife (we'll call her) is a typical western Canadian insofar as she hasn't ever lived without a car - and generally one parked in an attached garage.
We just moved here and sold our cars back in the U.S. even though my wife's employer would have compensated shipping arrangements. After a lot of research and chatting up people on the ground here with similiar lifestyles, we decided that it'd be far too big of a hassle. I'm like most Americans (and your Canadian gf) in that I've had a car since I was a teenager, so not really a no-brainer, permanent decision but more of a "we'll see how things go renting the occasional car as we need it, and think about getting something later". That's my 2 cents.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 27.04.2012, 14:41
Dack Rambo's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Switzerland
Posts: 2,998
Groaned at 208 Times in 127 Posts
Thanked 1,950 Times in 963 Posts
Dack Rambo has an excellent reputationDack Rambo has an excellent reputationDack Rambo has an excellent reputationDack Rambo has an excellent reputation
Re: Not in Geneva yet...

What is your accommodation budget? How much space will you need? As far as your salary is concerned, I hope you will be getting over 100,000 CHF per year at least?
Reply With Quote
Reply




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Spouse VISA, not EU, not yet married.... Mary-Anna Permits/visas/government 4 16.05.2012 12:08
New to English Forum, not in Switzerland yet mugenman1 Introductions 26 11.02.2012 20:13
Buying used car in Switzerland - visa not yet through? gc2011 Transportation/driving 12 19.09.2011 10:05
'Macaron' for a vehicle not yet registered in CH alanmack Transportation/driving 5 15.11.2010 16:32
Contract without (not yet) living in Switzerland Tmasi Employment 3 06.07.2010 04:47


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 01:21.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2022, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0