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Re: I'm seeing a lot of negatives...what are the positives?

OP,

Please consider that generally speaking, most people will nearly always post comments when they have a negative experience, but are far less likely to post when they have a positive one.

CH is certainly not as awful as some of the posts on here would have you believe. However, like anywhere else, it is certainly not paradise.

(Generalisation) In my experience, expats from the US tend to struggle to adapt here, more than those from most other countries.

As long as you smoke more than 40 cigarettes a day, blow your nose very loudly, don't like brown sugar and use public transport like an NFL linebacker you will be fine (j/k)
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I'm new to the EF, but have been catching up on reading many of the threads here.

I have an open offer to relocate with my family to the Zurich area for 3 years from the US, and have to make a decision in the next month.

Many of the discussions I've been reading tend to focus on the negatives - cost of living, language issues, difficult locals, strict rules, weather, etc. I'd love to get some feedback on the things you love about Switzerland and reasons for relocating

Our family has three young children (9,7 and 4), are outgoing, willing to work hard to fit in, enjoy the outdoors, etc. We view this as a great opportunity to experience another culture and see Europe. Also, the job opportunity is very positive.

Thanks for your ideas and feedback
-environment
-healthy food
-many museums, theatres, exhibitions etc.
-statistically speaking one of the best countries to live in-

-if you don't mind the high suicide rate. have to take a brolly to the train station to shield me from the spray of guts every mornin'
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Hello All,
I'm new to the EF, but have been catching up on reading many of the threads here.

I have an open offer to relocate with my family to the Zurich area for 3 years from the US, and have to make a decision in the next month.

Many of the discussions I've been reading tend to focus on the negatives - cost of living, language issues, difficult locals, strict rules, weather, etc. I'd love to get some feedback on the things you love about Switzerland and reasons for relocating

Our family has three young children (9,7 and 4), are outgoing, willing to work hard to fit in, enjoy the outdoors, etc. We view this as a great opportunity to experience another culture and see Europe. Also, the job opportunity is very positive.

Thanks for your ideas and feedback
you should literally jump at the opportunity, especially for a 3-year expat assignment.

1. it will very likely change your family dynamic for the better, since you will all have to grapple with the same learning curve and will have nobody but each other to look to to do so (at least initially).

2. it will very likely change your children's view of "the world" for the better.

3. it will very likely improve your career options and marketability.

4. you will be central to pretty much anything you could ever want to see or do in Europe.

5. if you make the effort to learn and understand the local language and culture, it will very likely teach you a greater appreciation for your own.

your kids are slightly younger than ours, but the experience for a family with children is really quite amazing. yes, there are downsides and yes, "the Swiss" can often be standoffish, but with a little Anstand and an effort to understand the local language and way of living you will come to find most people to be friendly and (dare I say it) even funny.
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you should literally jump at the opportunity, especially for a 3-year expat assignment.
That means you need to actually physically jump towards the contract I think? Or maybe towards the east? I'm not sure
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Hello All,
I'm new to the EF, but have been catching up on reading many of the threads here.

I have an open offer to relocate with my family to the Zurich area for 3 years from the US, and have to make a decision in the next month.

Many of the discussions I've been reading tend to focus on the negatives - cost of living, language issues, difficult locals, strict rules, weather, etc. I'd love to get some feedback on the things you love about Switzerland and reasons for relocating

Our family has three young children (9,7 and 4), are outgoing, willing to work hard to fit in, enjoy the outdoors, etc. We view this as a great opportunity to experience another culture and see Europe. Also, the job opportunity is very positive.

Thanks for your ideas and feedback
It's always good to move and experience another culture, there is so much to learn out there in the world and it would be a pity, to miss out on this great opportunity. About the negativity, I feel, that it is a learning experience and it will allow you to appreciate the loads of little things once you return back to the States.
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Re: I'm seeing a lot of negatives...what are the positives?

No fiscal cliffs?
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Re: I'm seeing a lot of negatives...what are the positives?

Whether Switzerland is right for you and your family can only be determined by what you personally value. So browse away and weigh the experiences of other expats against your own personal scale.

For me, there are hundreds, maybe thousands, of positive aspects to life in Switzerland - and one negative. Unfortunately that one negative is the most important thing in my life, meaning life here is completely impossible.

But you must decide according to your own values.

Wishing you and your family all the best.
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Re: I'm seeing a lot of negatives...what are the positives?

obviously the flag is a big plus
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Re: I'm seeing a lot of negatives...what are the positives?

I love it here. It is one of the most beautiful places on earth; so much to do and see. The people are super nice and hospitable. Granted, I speak French, but still have an accent. Everyone has always been polite to me and the driving is easy. The expat kids who grow up here seem happy and many families decide to stay here permanently. I live in Vaud, overlooking Lac Leman (Lake Geneva) which is a French speaking area. I visited the German section, and though people are very strict and disciplined, everyone was nice to me even though I couldn't speak German.
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Re: I'm seeing a lot of negatives...what are the positives?

Coming from Moscow really puts a lot of Zurich's negatives in perspective.

- High cost of living? Yeah, right (although food really IS more expensive here than back home,)
- Bad weather? Double "Yeah, right "

But it also highlights some REAL positives.

I love the local tram system. After being used to a 2 hour commute to work (yes, 2 effing hours door-to-door, ONE WAY), spending 10 minutes on a tram and 15 on foot is a breeze.

You are in the middle of Europe, you can spend 4 hours on train and get to Munich or make a 1 hour air-hop and go to Milan. You know where 1 hour of air travel gets me to from Moscow - it barely get's me over our border, somewhere over Belorussia. 4 hour train ride gets me to Saint-Petersburg (used to get me just half way between Moscow and SP, before the Sapsan trains) Car ride ... I don't even want to talk about it... Let's just say, that one of the most well known russian provebs states, that Russia has only 2 enemies - "idiots and roads"

I would not concentrate on the museums within Switzerland, when you have the giant open-air city-museums of Rome and Venice, Paris, Madrid or Barcelona, at your fingertips.

At current day and age, IMHO, logistics are the most valuable thing to look for. No need for a good place to stay, when you can find a good place from which you can go and stay anywhere you like. Like one guy said "When I was little, I liked summer. Then I grew up and learned, that with money I can turn any day into summer. So, now I like money."

But, hey - that's the perspective from a guy, who travels for a living. A professional tumbleweed
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Re: I'm seeing a lot of negatives...what are the positives?

Also, one more thing. I have lived in several different countries already and this is the best of the best, like the UK. My experience with ex-pats is that they complain about everything simply because it is not exactly like home. You will be miserable unless you embrace and enjoy the differences, instead of spending your time pining for things you miss in your home country. When you go back home, there will be things you will miss about Switzerland. It's clean, safe, beautiful, organized and has a very educated and skilled population with polite drivers and people. The food is super fresh too, there are a million wonderful markets here and too many fun things to do. Its a great place to raise your children, without a lot of the social/conformity problems of home.Plus, they will become fluent in another language and get a whole new perspective on the world.
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Re: I'm seeing a lot of negatives...what are the positives?

We moved to Switzerland (Schaffhausen area) almost 1 year ago with a 7 y.o. and 4 y.o. in tow. Yes, it was a HUGE adjustment from our home state of Florida, but it has been well worth it. We've met some really wonderful people, started learning German, and done a lot of traveling around Europe.

Regarding schooling--from my own experience it's not necessary to have your children all in International school or local school. Only you know your children and how they respond to unfamiliar environments. For us, it's worked best to have our oldest in International School as he is our more sensitive child and truly fears not knowing what is happening/being said around him. He still gets German lessons at school 3X a week and will begin lessons at home, as well, in January. Our youngest, however, is in the local school. His personality is super outgoing and he's our risk-taker. Being placed in a Kindergarten with 12 kids who only speak German hasn't bothered him one bit

Feel free to PM me if you have any questions for a fellow American ex-pat.
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Re: I'm seeing a lot of negatives...what are the positives?

Thanks for all of the replies. I really appreciate it. Many of the items mentioned are reasons I think we will do it. At the end of the assignment we will look back and be thankful for the opportunity. Our company has many ex-pats in the country and has a group to help with all aspects of the move. It's great to hear from the ones who have been through it.
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Re: I'm seeing a lot of negatives...what are the positives?

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obviously the flag is a big plus
Therefore, don't relocate to Austria.
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Thanks for all of the replies. I really appreciate it. Many of the items mentioned are reasons I think we will do it. At the end of the assignment we will look back and be thankful for the opportunity. Our company has many ex-pats in the country and has a group to help with all aspects of the move. It's great to hear from the ones who have been through it.
Have you actually talked to some of the expats from inside your company? Particularly, have you had your spouse talk to some other spouses who would be there for three years? I found out only after I spent what I affectionately refer to as the 'worst year of my life' that half of the local spouses came clean on how much they disliked living in Zurich because they didn't want to be Debbie Downers before I left the country and instead lied about how much they loved it. A lot depends on what you enjoy in life, e.g. if you're a film photography buff and 100CHF (about $120) per roll for developing and printing makes you chuck your camera then that's going to have an impact. Zurich was like a perfect storm of everything I wanted to do being either too expensive or not available, etc. and these aren't the kind of things you can read in a book or a forum and tick off boxes. Three years can seem like an eternity if you're in the wrong place so you might want to at least visit once with the family before making the commitment.
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Re: I'm seeing a lot of negatives...what are the positives?

Wow you really got Switzerlanded there. I recently got 10 rolls of slide film developed, a mix of 35mm & 120; it cost CHF114 for all of it.

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Wow you really got Switzerlanded there. I recently got 10 rolls of slide film developed, a mix of 35mm & 120; it cost CHF114 for all of it.
Slide film is a bit cheaper as it just gets a development process and doesn't get printed on paper but, yes, I basically didn't use my Leica the entire time we were there. I'm still getting used to the idea I can use it again just like I'm finally getting over hoarding chicken that costs less than $20 pound which I did when I first got back to the states....It's funny how quickly you adapt and how slowly some things go back to normal.
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Re: I'm seeing a lot of negatives...what are the positives?

You still didn't find the right place to get your developing done. My paper prints for colour, I do B&W myself, are way way cheaper than $100! I can get lots done for that, the slide film was just my latest batch where I remembered the cost.

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Slide film is a bit cheaper as it just gets a development process and doesn't get printed on paper but, yes, I basically didn't use my Leica the entire time we were there. I'm still getting used to the idea I can use it again just like I'm finally getting over hoarding chicken that costs less than $20 pound which I did when I first got back to the states....It's funny how quickly you adapt and how slowly some things go back to normal.
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Re: I'm seeing a lot of negatives...what are the positives?

The more positive you and your family are, the more positive will be your experience- that is a proven. And you are doing the move just in time as far children are concerned. Any older than 9, if going to the state school system, becomes complicated (due to selection for vocational/academic streams at 11- and the need for good local language skills + another Swiss language for academic streams).

Some people are 'forced' to move for work reasons, without wanting to do so and against their will- and often find it difficult to adjust/adapt. If you see it as a great experience and opportunity- you'll love it. Bienvenue/willkommen/bienvenuto
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You still didn't find the right place to get your developing done. My paper prints for colour, I do B&W myself, are way way cheaper than $100! I can get lots done for that, the slide film was just my latest batch where I remembered the cost.
Wow, same here. I don't think I paid more than CHF35 for a roll of 36 prints and that was in Bern.

The idea of talking to others in your firm is a good idea and also the one about making a trip over here to see if you think you can live here. It'll give you a taste of the country and you can find out some things while you're here.
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