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Hi, Is there anybody aware of How and Where to apply for Residence Card (Carte de Séjour) in Saint-Louis, France?

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Hi, Is there anybody aware of How and Where to apply for Residence Card (Carte de Séjour) in Saint-Louis, France?

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At the prefecture assigned to Saint Louis which is in Colmar





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Re: Saint-Louis (Residence Card - EU)

As far as how...do you know anyone currently living in Saint Louis?


You will need to show proof of residency, and to do that, you need a bank account or utilities statement. But you can't have those unless you can prove residency. So, if you know someone, like a family member, living in Saint Louis, and can vouche for you living there at their place for the last 2 months, at the Mairie, then you can go about getting a bank account.


It is probably different for EU residents, so I think visiting the Prefecture in Colmar is your best bet, and keeping many of your personal details held back unless they ask you specifically. I know there is freedom of movement, but the times I have been in Colmar, I hear constant applications being rejected.
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Re: Saint-Louis (Residence Card - EU)

Thanks for the quick info!
Isn't it also possible to apply for Residence card in your local Mairie (as I have just searched ppl experience on internet).

No, I do not know anyone here.
Can I apply while staying in a shared place or a hotel stay? So the address wont be on my name but on owner's name who rented the place to me?

I am non-EU citizen, married to a Dane and lives in Copenhagen.
We are planning to shift here in March as I got a job here - for that matter I need to arrange for Place to live, Residency, bank account and all that stuff.
Biggest problem I face to search for any of it is everything is in French.

Currently I am @ hotel in Huninge, France for another 3 days..
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Thanks for the quick info!
Isn't it also possible to apply for Residence card in your local Mairie (as I have just searched ppl experience on internet).

No, I do not know anyone here.
Can I apply while staying in a shared place or a hotel stay? So the address wont be on my name but on owner's name who rented the place to me?

I am non-EU citizen, married to a Dane and lives in Copenhagen.
We are planning to shift here in March as I got a job here - for that matter I need to arrange for Place to live, Residency, bank account and all that stuff.
Biggest problem I face to search for any of it is everything is in French.

Currently I am @ hotel in Huninge, France for another 3 days..

A hotel address will not suffice. The Mairie does not handle these things. If you feel like wasting your time, feel free and go there. A Mairie is a simple town hall, and handles things like marriages, garbage pick up, and so on. Colmar can be accessed by taking the train from Saint Louis to Colmar, then walking to the Prefecture should take about 15 minutes.


I don't remember what agreements that Denmark has with the EU, is it even part of the EU? If it is, then your wife will have to live in France as well. You do not have the same rights as an EU resident for the freedom of movement to work where you want.


So if she moved to France, you are a trailing spouse and would be able to work there.

I don't think the biggest problem is your in ability to speak French. I think the biggest problem is whether or not you have the right to live in France in the first place. Your ability to live and work in France will be based on your wife first, if she is EU. Otherwise France will not consider your application unless you have something to offer the French labor market they cannot fill internally.
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Re: Saint-Louis (Residence Card - EU)

It's France, so you have to accept contradictions as a way of life, not an obstacle.

First, get your or you husband's job contract out and get a flat with legal rental agreement. Then go to the bank and open an account. Pay electricity and internet, if you can also gas and water. Download the paper for asking a resident permit, make copies pf everything you need, have them 'certified' in the mairie, send the whole thing to the right address or go there yourself. The payments for electricity, internet and/or gas are traditonally proof enough of residence. It is however at the administration's discretion, so ask your way through it and double check every thing.

If you are non EU that requires a visa to enter France, makes sure that you have it, because the rigt to live in a EU country does not guaranty you the right to move to an other one. You start from scratch in th new country.

No French, no communication possible in France, even if you might get lucky once in a while. Make sure you can ask somebody, find a translater for yourself.

Attention: as a non EU married person to a EU citizen, you might have to proove the validity of your marriage in France at some point. Get the papers ready. Procedural details varies from département to département, so only get your info from Colmar and your mairie.
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Yes, Denmark is EU + Schengen, and we will live together here in France.
I have also confirmed my rights from EU (Europe Direct: http://europa.eu/europedirect/) as well - so this is not a problem.

http://www.expatica.com/fr/essential...225_10425.html
Here ppl have mentioned their experiences that they applied for Residence via Mairie - now yesterday when I called Mairie they were not able to understand a single English word. Communication seems to be the biggest problem..
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Yes, Denmark is EU + Schengen, and we will live together here in France.
I have also confirmed my rights from EU (Europe Direct: http://europa.eu/europedirect/) as well - so this is not a problem.

http://www.expatica.com/fr/essential...225_10425.html
Here ppl have mentioned their experiences that they applied for Residence via Mairie - now yesterday when I called Mairie they were not able to understand a single English word. Communication seems to be the biggest problem..
Because France is not England.
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It's France, so you have to accept contradictions as a way of life, not an obstacle.

First, get your or you husband's job contract out and get a flat with legal rental agreement. Then go to the bank and open an account. Pay electricity and internet, if you can also gas and water. Download the paper for asking a resident permit, make copies pf everything you need, have them 'certified' in the mairie, send the whole thing to the right address or go there yourself. The payments for electricity, internet and/or gas are traditonally proof enough of residence. It is however at the administration's discretion, so ask your way through it and double check every thing.

If you are non EU that requires a visa to enter France, makes sure that you have it, because the rigt to live in a EU country does not guaranty you the right to move to an other one. You start from scratch in th new country.

No French, no communication possible in France, even if you might get lucky once in a while. Make sure you can ask somebody, find a translater for yourself.

Attention: as a non EU married person to a EU citizen, you might have to proove the validity of your marriage in France at some point. Get the papers ready. Procedural details varies from département to département, so only get your info from Colmar and your mairie.
The proofs of birth certificates can only be no more then 3 months old, or will not be accepted.


You have to go personally to Prefecture. You will also need profile pictures as well, that can be obtained in the Prefecture itself.


If you need help with translations or day to day stuff, send me a pm. I am in no way a notarized translator, but I can help you with the basics, and am often going thru Saint Louis and Colmar.


It will be real hard to find a flat without a RIB, which is what you will get if you have a bank account. My suggestion is to go to Societe Generale, and open an account for Etrangers. They speak English at the reception desk. It is normally set up for Swiss residents that want a euro account, and still live and work in Switzerland, but it is open to all. I know as I am an American. Set up this account, with your details back in Denmark, and you will get a RIB. Pronounced (Air, Eee, Bay-phonetically). You will need this if you want to rent anything in France.
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It's France, so you have to accept contradictions as a way of life, not an obstacle.
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No French, no communication possible in France, even if you might get lucky once in a while. Make sure you can ask somebody, find a translater for yourself.

Attention: as a non EU married person to a EU citizen, you might have to proove the validity of your marriage in France at some point. Get the papers ready. Procedural details varies from département to département, so only get your info from Colmar and your mairie.
Thanks Faltrad and Confloozed.
Yes we have to accept the differences, I am fine with that - but to find one's way through it is not easy which I face.
I am married to a Dane for 4 years and have always been together.

I am trying to figure out to get an apartment in Saint-Louis, France as the work is at EuroAirport - I can work from SWISS but from France based on EU rules - confirmed my rights from EU and Denmark Immigration.

It is also not easy to find apartment - via website...
Can I able to start work as soon as I get the apartment - and after a month or two proceed to apply for the Residence card..
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Thanks Faltrad and Confloozed.
Yes we have to accept the differences, I am fine with that - but to find one's way through it is not easy which I face.
I am married to a Dane for 4 years and have always been together.

I am trying to figure out to get an apartment in Saint-Louis, France as the work is at EuroAirport - I can work from SWISS but from France based on EU rules - confirmed my rights from EU and Denmark Immigration.

It is also not easy to find apartment - via website...
Can I able to start work as soon as I get the apartment - and after a month or two proceed to apply for the Residence card..
You will need to have residency before you work I would assume. Also, will you be working on the Swiss side of the airport or France? I think you are saying under some agreement you will be allowed to work on the Swiss side. Can you explain further?


As far as where to live, will you have an auto when you install yourself permanently? Housing costs drop when you get to the Mulhouse area, and availability goes up there as well. It will be about another 15 minutes by car depending on from where in the area you find a place.
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"You will need to have residency before you work I would assume."
I think the opposite. Because and EU national has the right to work in any country in EU and apply for registration certificate if it is going more than 3 months - and if this citizen has dependent non-EU spouse, he/she automatically gets the equal rights to live and work in the host EU country.

"Also, will you be working on the Swiss side of the airport or France?"
I am only allowed to work on French side cause Swiss is non-eu

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"You will need to have residency before you work I would assume."
I think the opposite. Because and EU national has the right to work in any country in EU and apply for registration certificate if it is going more than 3 months - and if this citizen has dependent non-EU spouse, he/she automatically gets the equal rights to live and work in the host EU country.
Just to be clearn, your rights are attached to your wife's. Your wife will have to move to France first or you move together, but you can not move first. You have the right to follow her. Not the other way around.
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Just to be clearn, your rights are attached to your wife's. Your wife will have to move to France first or you move together, but you can not move first. You have the right to follow her. Not the other way around.
This is true and am aware of it. But its me who got the job offer (first) therefore we both are moving together (along with our baby boy). Right now I'm on just a visit - planned to bring my family but unfortunately both are having cold and I'm missing them..
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This is true and am aware of it. But its me who got the job offer (first) therefore we both are moving together (along with our baby boy). Right now I'm on just a visit - planned to bring my family but unfortunately both are having cold and I'm missing them..
Well you cannot be the first one on paper. Your wife will have to get a job first, apply for residency, and once approved, then, and only then can you apply as a trailing spouse.
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Well you cannot be the first one on paper. Your wife will have to get a job first, apply for residency, and once approved, then, and only then can you apply as a trailing spouse.
This is not true. Any EU citizen can go to any EU country and list himself/herself self-sufficient and intention to stay longer than 3 months and declare no need of financial support and have his/her as well as family's comprehensive health insurance - after that, his/her non-eu dependents have right to work in the host EU state.
But I think (not sure) that the right of work start when you just come to live in EU country, and to continue more than 3 months you need the Residence card. I worked on similar grounds in UK.

Overview of rights of non-eu spouse:
DIRECTIVE 2004/38/EC - Article 7
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/...77:0123:en:PDF
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http://ec.europa.eu/social/main.jsp?catId=463&langId=en
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This is not true. Any EU citizen can go to any EU country and list himself/herself self-sufficient and intention to stay longer than 3 months and declare no need of financial support and have his/her as well as family's comprehensive health insurance - after that, his/her non-eu dependents have right to work in the host EU state.
But I think (not sure) that the right of work start when you just come to live in EU country, and to continue more than 3 months you need the Residence card. I worked on similar grounds in UK.

Overview of rights of non-eu spouse:
DIRECTIVE 2004/38/EC - Article 7
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/...77:0123:en:PDF
Non-EU Family members
http://ec.europa.eu/social/main.jsp?catId=463&langId=en

Well you are not an EU passport holder, correct?
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Saint Louis is located in Alsace, a beautiful French region but really cold in winter. But some good wine there ! This part of France is very interesting with a typical architecture. Saint Louis is just the Belgian border.
To find a place to rent, take a look :
http://www.aktifimmo.com/immobilier-haut-rhin-68.html
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Saint Louis is located in Alsace, a beautiful French region but really cold in winter. But some good wine there ! This part of France is very interesting with a typical architecture. Saint Louis is just the Belgian border.
To find a place to rent, take a look :
http://www.aktifimmo.com/immobilier-haut-rhin-68.html
http://www.haut-rhin.immobilier-agence.net/


I think you are mistaken, unless there is a Saint Louis also in Bas Rhin.
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Oups switzerland/germany border, not belgium. Fail.
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