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Hoi hoi...I'm new to this forum.

Hallo everyone,

My name is Ilona, but I go by Ali, and I'm new here. I live in the States, but have a Ch citizenship and am hoping to move there in the next year or two. I attended school in Kilchberg (outside of Zurich) long ago and spent many summers in Austria (my father was Austrian).

I would love to get to know some people on line and get any insight of future work possibilities. I'm finishing up my Master's degree in Marriage Family Therapy and have interest in working/ counseling victims of the sex/human trafficking trade.

I would love to hear from people...Switzerland is such a wonderful place to live and I miss it fiercely.

Tschuess!
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Old 20.07.2014, 11:16
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Welcome to the Forum, Ali.
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Old 20.07.2014, 12:33
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Welcome to the Forum and good luck with your plane to move to CH !!
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Re: Hoi hoi...I'm new to this forum.

Welcome to the forum. This may help with moving back:

http://aso.ch/files/webcontent/recht..._with_logo.pdf

And this with getting your qualifications recognised:

http://www.sbfi.admin.ch/diploma/017...x.html?lang=en

Do be aware however, that as a US citizen you're required to file US tax returns every year and could owe US tax on top of Swiss ones. You'll also need to file a FBAR form to report your "foreign" account/s if the aggregate total is over $10,000+ at any point in the year. There's more info on your US tax filing obligations here:

http://www.irs.gov/Individuals/Inter...-Aliens-Abroad

To get a bank account here you'll need to sign a W-9 form to allow the bank to pass your info on to the IRS. This is due to the US's FATCA law which they've managed to foist on to the rest of the world. Google it and also search the forum for plenty of info about it.
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Old 20.07.2014, 13:14
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Hallo everyone,

My name is Ilona, but I go by Ali, and I'm new here. I live in the States, but have a Ch citizenship and am hoping to move there in the next year or two. I attended school in Kilchberg (outside of Zurich) long ago and spent many summers in Austria (my father was Austrian).

I would love to get to know some people on line and get any insight of future work possibilities. I'm finishing up my Master's degree in Marriage Family Therapy and have interest in working/ counseling victims of the sex/human trafficking trade.

I would love to hear from people...Switzerland is such a wonderful place to live and I miss it fiercely.

Tschuess!
Salü ! What means "long ago" ? I for 6 decades lived in Wollishofen just some 500 meters away from Kilchberg

Just as an update, Kilchberg, whenever an outer suburb, is not really OUTside of Zürich any longer, but in practice INside Zürich

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Wollishofener... Das han i g'seh! I was there for a week in January and saw how it has all melded together.
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Thank you so much, Medea! Ahh, this American government :-/
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Thank you so much, Medea! Ahh, this American government :-/
Yeah, it's not fun being an American abroad at the moment.
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Wollishofener... Das han i g'seh! I was there for a week in January and saw how it has all melded together.
I remember the 1960ies. We took our bycicles and went there to eat fresh cherries (not really legally), and to ride on some donkeys, even less legally but lots of fun
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Old 21.07.2014, 09:57
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Yeah, it's not fun being an American abroad at the moment.
Not to mention that making almost any amount of reasonable salary in CH will subject you to Uncle Sam's "Eye of Sauron" treatment.

Oh yeah, if you don't have a bank account here already, fasten your seatbelts; it's going to be a VERY bumpy ride. (I think it's illegal to omit mentioning your American citizenship when opening an account, but I'll defer to the local experts on the thread to opine on this.)
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Not to mention that making almost any amount of reasonable salary in CH will subject you to Uncle Sam's "Eye of Sauron" treatment.

Oh yeah, if you don't have a bank account here already, fasten your seatbelts; it's going to be a VERY bumpy ride. (I think it's illegal to omit mentioning your American citizenship when opening an account, but I'll defer to the local experts on the thread to opine on this.)
No. It is, however, a punishable offense to fraudulently complete contractual paperwork which explicitly asks if you are an American person, which is what I think you meant.
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No. It is, however, a punishable offense to fraudulently complete contractual paperwork which explicitly asks if you are an American person, which is what I think you meant.
You are correct, Corbets, that's what I meant to say. Thanks for the correction.
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Old 21.07.2014, 11:15
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And would probably result in your newly opened account being closed without much warning.
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So...this means, since I closed my Swiss bank account about 20 years ago, and haven't reopened another, that I'll face some serious difficulties trying to leave this "land of the 'free' and home of the 'brave'"???
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I attended AISZ in 1986-87. Never wanted to leave CH and I've been trying to get back ever since. Hopefully after my master's degree is finished, I'll have something to offer CH and can return.
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I'm sure it is not. :-/
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I attended AISZ in 1986-87. Never wanted to leave CH and I've been trying to get back ever since. Hopefully after my master's degree is finished, I'll have something to offer CH and can return.
http://www.zis.ch/page.cfm?p=2695

Why only two years ?

I remember how it was back in 67. The choice basically was between Italian and English. I would have preferred Italian but Mum, due to our Texan relatives insisted on English. Which was good in the end.
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It was only a year, actually...My mother is Swiss and so my siblings and I each spent our freshman year in Zuri.... And I'm Texan (though I prefer to say Swiss/Austrian/Texan)! Italian is such a lovely language...I would have loved to learn it, but must, instead, be satisfied with the Eros Ramazotti songs I learned.
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So...this means, since I closed my Swiss bank account about 20 years ago, and haven't reopened another, that I'll face some serious difficulties trying to leave this "land of the 'free' and home of the 'brave'"???
Depends on what you mean by "leave".

You can physically leave whenever you like. You just have to remember to continue filing US tax returns and pay any tax that might be due. And tell your bank when you try to open a new account here that you're a Swiss/American dual national. UBS, Credit Suisse and PostFinance are about your only choices though Basel and Zurich cantonal banks too still take on American clients I believe.

To leave completely, i.e. the US has no hold on you whatsoever, it's a bit more complicated. As you have a second nationality you could renounce the US one at the embassy in Bern as soon as you can after arriving, do any necessary tax filing and say goodbye forever to your US citizenship and it's accompanying tax obligations. Last heard there was about a 1 year's wait for an appointment to renounce so that would give you time to get any tax obligations in order before you do so. To file the final 8854 form you need to have done 5 years of fiings so you don't get classed as a "covered expatriate" which could have further tax/penalty consequences. Simply search on the IRS website for 8854 to read about what you'd need to do.

Do look at this dispassionately and with a long term view. If you think you'll want to go back to the States to live/work in the future then there's not really any point in giving up your citizenship. Yes, theoretically you should be able to get a work visa like anyone else once you've given up your citizenship, but I don't know if anyone's put that to the test. And there are some people in Congress who want to make it impossible for ex-US citizens who are "covered expats" to EVER be allowed back in the country for any reason. They haven't succeeded yet, but that doesn't mean they won't in future. The law has already been passed, but so far has proved unworkable.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reed_Am...t_(immigration)

If you're not that worried about keeping the citizenship then decide whether it's best for you to give it up and be just a Swiss citizen. We all have to make decisions based on our individual circumstances so don't rush into anything. Even if you think you might want to renounce you could give yourself a few years here to make sure you actually want to be here long term, do the US filing as you should and then if you're sure renounce sometime in the future.
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