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and just trying to gain some insight on possibly retiring, at least part time to the Zurich area. I've traveled rather extensively in all of Europe over the years, and now just trying to find a place or two to put down some shallow, but meaningful roots.
I presently live near Lexington Virginia USA, which is in the southern end of the Shenandoah Valley. It's a paradise for an avid hiker and wildlife watcher such as myself, but would like like an escape hatch out of the country in case everything goes to shit here in the States. Unlike a few I've seen post on here, I rather like Trump, but I need an escape hatch if it all comes crashing down. I'm much too long in the tooth, and much to jaded and cynical these days to put up with anymore chaos. The average American is just too damned soft and spoiled to put up with much hardship without resorting to cannibalism, or some such sick shit as that (ok, don't y'all go to calling James Comy, or some other creature of that sort I exaggerate for effect every once in a blue moon).
Anyway, whoever wants to give me a shout-out, I'd love to hear from you. I'm still young and dumb enough to have a good time without being self contious about it, and that is a good thing.
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and just trying to gain some insight on possibly retiring, at least part time to the Zurich area. I've traveled rather extensively in all of Europe over the years, and now just trying to find a place or two to put down some shallow, but meaningful roots.
I presently live near Lexington Virginia USA, which is in the southern end of the Shenandoah Valley. It's a paradise for an avid hiker and wildlife watcher such as myself, but would like like an escape hatch out of the country in case everything goes to shit here in the States. Unlike a few I've seen post on here, I rather like Trump, but I need an escape hatch if it all comes crashing down. I'm much too long in the tooth, and much to jaded and cynical these days to put up with anymore chaos. The average American is just too damned soft and spoiled to put up with much hardship without resorting to cannibalism, or some such sick shit as that (ok, don't y'all go to calling James Comy, or some other creature of that sort I exaggerate for effect every once in a blue moon).
Anyway, whoever wants to give me a shout-out, I'd love to hear from you. I'm still young and dumb enough to have a good time without being self contious about it, and that is a good thing.

Welcome to EF!


You're probably going to be disappointed - MedeaFleecestealer will be along shortly to explain why - but in the meantime, a quick question which might save a lot of bother in the long run: are you insanely wealthy?
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Not insanely wealthy, but I wouldn't tell you if I was. Lets just say I got enough to live good in Switzerland. Being not very materialistic helps. I have enough to get the proper visa. At least my attorney says so. I'll probably be over in a couple of months to get the lay of the land and go from there.
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Not insanely wealthy, but I wouldn't tell you if I was. Lets just say I got enough to live good in Switzerland. Being not very materialistic helps. I have enough to get the proper visa. At least my attorney says so. I'll probably be over in a couple of months to get the lay of the land and go from there.
Hmmm.... see, we've heard this before. Not wishing to urinate on your cornflakes, but what many Americans consider a good living salary is often pretty close to poverty level in Switzerland - which isn't to say that it can't be done, but it won't help get a residence permit, and might not lead to an enjoyable retirement.


As I said, the resident immigration experts will be along shortly, but I just want to prepare you for possible disappointment. You're not the first non-EU person to have dreams of moving here in retirement, and the news is rarely good.


Good luck!
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...if "all comes crashing down".


Drama much?
How frail is your America? Mine seems to be properly applying checks and balances.


edit: If you feel that way, your better bet is to learn the ways of the hill folk around there and when it all comes crashing down - you just head up to your holler and ride it out.
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Friday thread? Tuesday is the new Friday it seems

To OP, welcome to EF! How is your German? You could start from that.
And remember, CH has its own mess too.
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...if "all comes crashing down".


Drama much?
How frail is your America? Mine seems to be properly applying checks and balances.


edit: If you feel that way, your better bet is to learn the ways of the hill folk around there and when it all comes crashing down - you just head up to your holler and ride it out.
As I said, I like what Trump is trying to do, and I think things are going in the right direction. Kind of reminds me of about 1982 or 83 when we were coming out of a rather harsh recession. Reagan comes in and gets congress to cut the hell out of taxes, and the Saudis and others began flooding the world with cheap oil and everything just took off.
My problem is not with the economy, but with the state of society in general. People don't know shit and are lazy as hell. When they start having their free stuff cut off and have to go work for a living, the young especially, are not going to be able to do it (this time it is "society's fault.") Go out to any construction site and you will see nary a native born American under about 45 years of age anywhere. It's not the young guys' fault. They never have been made to work. They do know how to riot and destroy property and beat the hell out of folks though if they don't get their way. It's been ugly.
Stock market is doing good, and Trump has the right idea about how to get things better, but you can lead a horse to water too...............
Being poor is not so very bad a state to be in if you have company, and everyone has a desire to get themselves to a better situation. I don't see a lot of that sort of desire these days.
That being said, I still am hopeful that things will get better. I'm just fortunate enough to be able to live someplace else if I so desire, and I am in the process of doing just that. Might be parttime, but could be full time if things get bad enough. Hope they don't. If they do I'll just pack up my threads and give my Alman Brothers and Stones CDs to my old partying friends and head on out somewhere. Maybe Switzerand, maybe Singapore, or Thailand or some such place.

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edit: If you feel that way, your better bet is to learn the ways of the hill folk around there and when it all comes crashing down - you just head up to your holler and ride it out
....., but with the state of society in general. People don't know shit and are lazy as hell. When they start having their free stuff cut off and have to go work for a living, the young especially, are not going to be able to do it (this time it is "society's fault.") Go out to any construction site and you will see nary a native born American under about 45 years of age anywhere.

....Being poor is not so very bad a state to be in if you have company, and everyone has a desire to get themselves to a better situation. I don't see a lot of that sort of desire these days.
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Old 28.03.2017, 11:11
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...if "all comes crashing down".
Drama much?
How frail is your America? Mine seems to be properly applying checks and balances.

edit: If you feel that way, your better bet is to learn the ways of the hill folk around there and when it all comes crashing down - you just head up to your holler and ride it out.

My job this month is 'bad cop'. So I'll I suggest you very carefully check the difference between a visa, which allows you to come for a limited period of time, and a permit, which would allow you to live here.

Also, please learn how to use the quote function correctly. If you shorten quotes (which is, of course, an admirable thing to do) please leave the square brackets and their contents in place. Otherwise we have a -er slightly muddled post as seen above.

P.S. and if you think I am pernickety, wait till you see the Swiss in action, when aliens want to take up residence here.
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Maybe Switzerand, maybe Singapore, or Thailand or some such place.
You haven't really thought this through, have you.

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Friday thread? Tuesday is the new Friday it seems

To OP, welcome to EF! How is your German? You could start from that.
And remember, CH has its own mess too.
Does my Attic Greek that I learned to read and write at St. John's College a long time ago count? I know a bit of French as well, but it's rusty. Actually I'm pretty good at picking up languages. However, I understand the Swiss German is a far cry from the German in the classroom. A bridge about as far as English in Oxfordshire and English in my native Monroe County, Georgia.
And yes, every nook and cranny on the face of the earth has its problems. Just the nature of things. I'm not looking for paradise, just a respite from the familiar. Btw, nice to meet you Rose.
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... I have enough to get the proper visa. At least my attorney says so. ...
Mistake number 1, relying on an "attorney".
The work "attorney" was banned in Europe in 1893 so dunno who you're reallz getting advice from.

You can visit for 3 months without a visa, as per the Swiss Government website
https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...rigkeit/u.html
If you've travelled in Europe, surely you'd know more already about visas, Schengen etc.

Hang on, do you mean "Swaziland" or "Sweden"...?
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To the OP: which form of liberty is preferable to you - communal or individual?


Your answer to this question will determine, more than any other factor, whether you will find Switzerland a comfortable place to live.
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And would you like fries, boiled potatoes, pasta, rice or a rosti with that?
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And would you like fries, boiled potatoes, pasta, rice or a rosti with that?
Way too many choices for Switzerland! Don't confuse us!
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Threads... Allman Brothers... the Stones... hmm. A 70s throwback?
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Re: I'm new to this forum,

If it all comes crashing down, being in CH might not help much.

maybe NZ?:

https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...calypse-escape

or Kansas?:

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/20...the-super-rich
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Paging St2lemans!
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Yay, my favorite kind of threads, a.k.a. How Much Does it Cost to Buy a Permit

Tina Turner did it. In fact she bought herself a passport. Paris Hilton did it, but I think she's gone already. It can be done if you can prove to the Swiss that you have enough millions to support yourself until you croak. It also helps if you can prove that you will be a financial asset to your community through paying taxes, making investments, hiring staff, etc.

Of course what that "x" amount is will be determined by your age, where you want to live, etc.
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