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Re: Are foreign students with low income disliked in society?

You'll find some people here that dislike foreigners, yes.

And nobody likes students, do they?

But it's OK, 'cos if you're poor no-one's going to pay you any attention anyway.

Seriously though, what is it you're actually worried about? Are you just trying to get folks here to tell you that you won't be able to work and your budget is untenable, and if so, why not ask that question or more specific ones, rather than concerning yourself with what people will think of you once you get here? Nobody will care, one way or another.
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Foreigners, aka invaders, are equally disliked here, no discrimination!

ok, ok that's not true, some are more equals than others, and eastern europe one are a bit more disliked than others.
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Ah, but you don't look like you're Eastern European. And arguably you're not anyway,
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Ah, but you don't look like you're Eastern European. And arguably you're not anyway,
The OP was photographed yesterday picking up lunch



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Re: Are foreign students with low income disliked in society?

As other have said, it will be brutal.

Living in Zurich requires a certain amount of money because almost nothing apart from the water from the fountains around the city is free.

I know that esp. Eastern European students can go through (and sustain) quite extreme hardships in their quest for a degree from a Western European university.

But you should know that life in Zurich is really geared towards people with more money than what you have budgeted.
And landing a job is not guaranteed.

I would have to research just how much social aid (Swiss) people get in Zurich, but it's very likely to be substantially more than what you have - and that is considered to be the base-level of living by the (stingy) authorities.

I wish you all the best and all the luck you can get.
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Ah, but you don't look like you're Eastern European. And arguably you're not anyway,
Gawd..and all that work for nothing!

It is true, people think I am Swedish or German and ask me why I speak with an English accent when I speak French. Boo..I don't know I do.

Anyways - OP, 500fr per room per month is a dream, in LS it is at least 800fr. So finances will be impossible. On the other hand, EEs are known for going far on very little and you might be lucky and somehow make it work.

To your question - I do not think so. I actually think that people are warmer and more sympathetic here to students in general, than elsewhere. People know that there is very little low qualif/seasonal labor, so it is hard to work and study and actually have enough means. Since uni students are more rare than say in the US where everybody has to go to a college, people are quite respectful here to the sacrifice and work that students put into getting a degree.
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Re: Are foregin students with low income disliked in society?

What do you mean hated by society?
People looking at you on the street don't know how much you have in your wallet. Swiss aren't so magical.
Do you mean with relationships and the like?- yeah, that will be tough, but for reasons more than money.

I'm on an OK salary though I tend to get by on 100 a week (assuming a week where I don't go to the pub) and I'm not super careful; I think nothing of buying pre-prepared sandwiches and other such 'inefficient' uses of money. 300 a month living as a penny counting student and avoiding alcohol altogether is completely possible.

Though yes. 500 a month for a room sounds very unlikely unless the university is providing you with a student room for such a price. If you have good contacts and get very lucky then you might get a room for 700 or so... but that's a special absolute best case. You're looking more towards 1000 realistically.
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Old 21.06.2017, 11:47
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My plan is to live on around 1200 Franks/month. Around 500 for room, around 300 for food and the rest for insurance, school etc. Yes, it will be quite modest living. Do I stand chance, or will I be actually hated by Swiss society?

Just in case, yeah I am being serious. Yes, I plan to live on such low income, and yes, I am afraid to be extreme outsider.
Your budget for a room is low. I'd suggest increasing that to CHF 600 p.m. Currently, there are 20 rooms to let in Zurich on www.comparis.ch which are CHF 600 or under, but only 3 of them are under CHF 500, and all three are very short term, summer lets, so you really need to be looking at the CHF500-600 range. When my partner first came to Zurich, he was paying CHF 625 p.m. for a bedsit between Wollishofen and Sihl City.

CHF 300 p.m. for food is easily done, particularly if you can cook. Aldi, down the side of Hauptbahnhoff, have some really good fish dishes for CHF 3. My partner loves them, and now prefers them to meat (which is very expensive.). If you drink, alcohol is cheap here.

As others have said, it's health insurance, books and transport that are going to be a drain on your finances. There's no getting out of the insurance, but you could check out the ads for a bike, which again, is what my partner did when he arrived.

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Re: Are foreign students with low income disliked in society?

I can't speak much for tuition costs, insurance, etc, but we (2 people) have been in Switzerland for 2 months and our costs have been under 1000€ each month.

This includes our rent of only 333 CHF because the rest is covered by our client, our car expenses (fuel isn't cheap and we drive around quite a lot), phone (UK plan because it's cheaper and roaming is free), food (we do drive to Germany/Austria/France and I imagine you could take the train there once a month to stock up), and other expenses (cash, clothes, other going out...).

- We don't really go out to restaurants as I love to cook, and we have a picnic by the lake or in the mountains nearly every night.
- On days off we'll go explore Switzerland and neighbouring countries, which costs fuel but that's about it.
- To socialize we have barbecues which are fun, delicious and cheap.
- We move every 3-6 months so we don't buy a ton of clothes or other home items.

Obviously, in Zurich things will be more expensive but if you're really committed you will make it work. Buy a lot of potatoes and cook them in all kinds of delicious ways. If you have a freezer get frozen vegetables and fish. Pasta can be great with a different sauce every time.

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Old 21.06.2017, 12:20
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Anyways - OP, 500fr per room per month is a dream, in LS it is at least 800fr. So finances will be impossible. On the other hand, EEs are known for going far on very little and you might be lucky and somehow make it work. .
Not a dream. Possible. Not hard to find but you have to be lucky.
WOKO managed rooms are in the 500 to 600 price range.
http://www.woko.ch/de/haeufige-fragen

If you have after room, tuition, insurance and transportation another CHF 600 left than you can live a relatively nice life.
Most of the budget depends on the eligibility for Swisscare.

Very important for someone which such a very tight budget (and for all others which do not have one or two spare million). Get a Privathaftpflichtversicherung (third party liability insurance) it costs around CHF 50 to 100 per year and covers damages to other peoples property and life up to several millions francs. For example Elvia has an offer with 3M coverage, CHF 200 deductible, gross negligence coverage, for just CHF 90 (used this company because, they have an easy calculator. Other companies are Mobiliar, AXA, Zurich, Helvetia and many others). It coveres nearly anything put motor vehicles.

It is an absolute no brainer to take such coverage. If you ride a bike and crash into a pedestrian the bill can be several ten thousand. http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/zuerich/...story/20573349
Additionally, if you move out and there are damages the insurance will cover some part. Or, as it may happen, you lose your keys which can be a very costly experience in Switzerland.
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Not a dream. Possible. Not hard to find but you have to be lucky.
WOKO managed rooms are in the 500 to 600 price range.
http://www.woko.ch/de/haeufige-fragen
How much time does OP have, though? For sept? Securing a rented place for oneself can take so long here..that said, I know the Romandie coast is pricier than Zurich. Luck is always good.
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How much time does OP have, though? For sept?
Yes. But OP would have to be here tomorrow.
http://www.woko.ch/de/nachmieter-details/1233
Expect that many will apply for this room, and as I say you have to be lucky.
Note: WOKO rooms are exclusively for full time students. Isn't there anything like that in Lausanne?
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I can't speak much for tuition costs, insurance, etc, but we (2 people) have been in Switzerland for 2 months and our costs have been under 1000€ each month.
If you move all the time and are here for only a few months, the situation is simply different. You don't have a realistic take on the costs because you're not here for the long haul. You don't have any of the costs OP will have and your money is essentially simply spent on food and leisure. Even for that, 1000.- are tight, but yes, it's doable.

However OP's situation is different. He has not even considered insurance and transport in his "calculation". Tuition fees are some 700/semester (excluding books) and foreigners pay an extra 500 afaik, i.e. this comes out at about 200 a month. Add a couple of hundred per semester on used books on top of that and the money is gone already.

Also, your trips don't just cost fuel - they also cost insurance and the cost of the car, even - or especially - if you don't pay for it yourself. He can't drive to Germany to save a few bucks because he has no car and the money he'd have to spend on the train would pretty much eliminate any potential savings.

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Simple maths, really. With the absolute best-case scenario:
500 room incl. utilities excl. internet/phone (wishful thinking, but anyway)
200 university tuition
50 used books & stationery and whatever else needed for uni
80 subsidized health insurance & liability insurance
50 public transport (best case scenario, Zurich city only)
50 phone & internet

Leaves CHF 270 a month or CHF 9-10 a day for food, clothing, any leisure activities, anything outside of Zurich, any additional costs (medical for example), not to mention any time off/vacation, a trip home once a year, really absolutely anything.

Not doable.


Sorry, again, there's a reason universities ask for proof for a certain amount of money and there is a reason that amount is twice as high as OP was hoping for.

To be clear, social welfare would provide 1000.- for a basic lifestyle and that does NOT include rent, utilities and insurance. You can't compare the life of a student to that situation of course, but it is nevertheless an indication of what is deemed possible and what is not.
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Great Info, SwissinUS.
Just in case OP's head is spinning from it all and he can't find the EN link on woko: http://www.woko.ch/en/nachmieter-details/1233
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Re: Are foreign students with low income disliked in society?

I presume you have your concerns because someone may have told you that.

Without going into the financial side of things (i am so not an expert as others on the ef):
Over 20 years ago I spent an academic year at a university across the pond. I flew in with 80 bucks and a plastic shopping bag with a few bits of clothing. And I did not see any special dislike or hostility towards my bum-like existence. I was there to learn. Obviously, i worked 2hrs a day too.

Enjoy Broki-house bargains, bargain bins at Migros just like a proper student and don't ever think that you are inferior.
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Yes. But OP would have to be here tomorrow..
Which was my point - you can be lucky and find something available and not making you sell your kidneys for even here but one has to be around or count on looking for ages, too.

I wish OP to make it..I bet they will. The permit might be a b..tch to obtain, though.
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Two words...: "Ramen Noodles!" Get used to them.
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Two words...: "Ramen Noodles!" Get used to them.
Calories/Money is not really good. Regular pasta and some sauce beats it. Rice may be even cheaper. Cook it at home and take it to the uni in a reusable plastic container.
https://www.coopathome.ch/Prix-Garan...etti/p/4831118
or including protein
https://www.coopathome.ch/Lebensmitt...Eier/p/5713819

Rice can be get by the bag in Asian ethnic stores.
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I think if there is a science in budget existence, the absolute experts are students.
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Sorry, again, there's a reason universities ask for proof for a certain amount of money and there is a reason that amount is twice as high as OP was hoping for.

To be clear, social welfare would provide 1000.- for a basic lifestyle and that does NOT include rent, utilities and insurance. You can't compare the life of a student to that situation of course, but it is nevertheless an indication of what is deemed possible and what is not.
The OP plans to have some part time job to round up his or her budget, it might be doable after all. On the other hand if he or she is not admitted because of this....then we're discussing in vain.

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Nooooo.

Yessss.
Yep.
He will come to CH (hopefully, samaire has a point here) not to EF lol.
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The OP plans to have some part time job to round up his or her budget, it might be doable after all. On the other hand if he or she is not admitted because of this....then we're discussing in vain.



Yep.
He comes to CH not to EF lol.
Possibly having a job doesn't figure in the Swiss authorities calculations when it comes to whether you have sufficient funds to study here on not. That money source has to be proven first before a permit is granted. At 14,400 annually the OP is way below the required sum of 21,000.
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