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Family from U.S. relocating to Luzern

Hello everyone,

Thank you for this helpful forum!

My family- myself and husband, 10 year old daughter and 5 year old son- have just relocated to Luzern (Horw specifically) from California. The kids will be enrolled in public school starting in August. My husband and I are dance-theater makers/teachers/performers. We hope to be able to continue this work here in Switzerland and elsewhere in Europe. At the moment though we are getting our bearings and are amazed at the beauty and newness of everything.

I am sure I will be posting specific questions on this forum soon.

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Re: Family from U.S. relocating to Luzern

Welcome

I'm a bit amazed by your statement that seems to say they you're NOT holding a job yet? How did you manage to get the paperwork, ie Visa to come here for long-term work/B Aufenthaltsbewilligung, without that? Or just misreading your statement?
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Old 01.07.2017, 16:42
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Re: Family from U.S. relocating to Luzern

Well, she says she's also Italian, so hopefully she used that passport to enter Switzerland and bring the rest of the family with her.

But yes, if you haven't entered on that passport and your husband doesn't have another nationality other than American then there's no way you can set up shop here. Non-EU nationals need to be employed by a Swiss employer and for artistes permits are limited to a maximum of 8 months.

Frankly we need more info/input from your side as to how you've come to be here to be able to give you any help/advice on where to go from here. This is the criteria for hiring of non-EU nationals.

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Re: Family from U.S. relocating to Luzern

Hi, yes, I have dual citizenship Italian/US, as do my children, and I believe my husband will be able to stay here with a family reunification visa, though that visa will not allow him to work here.
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Hi, yes, Iand I believe my husband will be able to stay here with a family reunification visa,
Is your husband here already or isn´t he? Did he get a D visa?
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Re: Family from U.S. relocating to Luzern

No, that's incorrect. If he gets a family reunification permit, assuming you have sufficient funds to support all your dependents since you don't have a job yet, then he can work and the permit bypasses the non-EU hiring criteria. More on family reunification:

https://www.ch.ch/en/family-reunification-eu-efta/

However, as American citizens you need to realise that you have continuing US tax filing obligations no matter where you live in the world and could owe the US tax on top of your Swiss ones. Start your research on that here:

https://www.irs.gov/individuals/inte...-aliens-abroad

You will also find it difficult to get a bank account here due to your American "taint". To open a personal account you'll need to sign W-9 forms to allow the bank to send the account details on to the IRS and only UBS, Credit Suisse and PostFinance are likely to consider you as clients. If any account or accounts you hold come to more than the aggregate figure of $10,000 at any time of the year they also have to be reported on an FBAR form.

And yes, your husband should have applied for a Type D visa at the Swiss embassy/consulate in the US before travelling here if he's already arrived. If he doesn't have one he may have to go to Germany or France to get one stamped in his passport or could even be told to go back to the States to apply and wait for it there. Talk to the Lucerne canton migration office asap to find out exactly what you need to do.
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Re: Family from U.S. relocating to Luzern

Thank you so much for all this info! I heard that getting a bank account here could be almost impossible as a US citizen. I'll follow your suggestions, cross my fingers and see how it goes. We'll be going to the Kanton office next week to register myself and the kids. My husband needs to go back to the US for a bit in September, so it's possible he'll need to deal with his visa then and there, but hopefully we can get the process started here.
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My husband needs to go back to the US for a bit in September, so it's possible he'll need to deal with his visa then and there, but hopefully we can get the process started here.
How did he enter the country? As a visitor?

If so, better check the rules and regulations. Authorities here do not appreciate people coming in as tourists who intend to stay, similar to the US rules and regulations.
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Re: Family from U.S. relocating to Luzern

I understand. Yes, he entered as a visitor. I am feeling pretty worried now. I must have misunderstood the information I got from the Swiss consulate in the US. I thought I understood that I should register myself and apply for this visa once we were here... Yikes.
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Re: Family from U.S. relocating to Luzern

Just talk to them and ask what you can do. My experience is that authorities here are pretty helpful
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Re: Family from U.S. relocating to Luzern

As you will find each canton, like the States, react differently to different situations. Some are helpful as roegner says, others not so much. Not too many reports here re Lucerne, but from the few we've had they seem pretty easy going so if you're very lucky they may process the family reunification permit and visa here. If not so lucky he may have to go to Germany or France to a Swiss embassy/consulate there to get the Type D visa. Worst case he'll be told to go back to the States to apply for it there and wait for it to be issued, subject to approval of the family reunification permit.

However, since you don't have a job here the granting of any family reunification permits will depend on whether the Swiss authorities think you have enough monetary funds to support everyone. If not, then the permits won't be granted. I hope you brought bank statements, etc, with you because they won't take your word for it, you'll need to show proof of said funds.

Why have you decided to move to Switzerland?
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Re: Family from U.S. relocating to Luzern

Hi Dana,


Welcome to the forum and to Switzerland. Hope you will get through all the formalities and find a way to continue your work here. Switzerland could also use your talent.


Take care and good luck
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Why have you decided to move to Switzerland?
I appreciate the guidance, we will be sure to have all bank statements with us when we go! We wish to be here for many reasons- we are doing a professional training program in London and Portugal. We have friends here. We have some dance projects in the works around Europe. We would like to give our kids the opportunity to experience other cultures and languages.

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Frankly we need more info/input from your side as to how you've come to be here to be able to give you any help/advice on where to go from here.
Frankly, she didn't ask for any advice but it's very nice of you and your buddy to ram it down her throat. Great welcoming committee.

OP, welcome to the forum.
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I heard that getting a bank account here could be almost impossible as a US citizen.
Don't worry.

Some banks may not be possible.

Credit Suisse and certainly UBS are perfectly capable of providing banking to US citizens and contrary to the voices of doom, you don't need to be Richie Rich rich to open accounts.
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How did he enter the country? As a visitor?

If so, better check the rules and regulations. Authorities here do not appreciate people coming in as tourists who intend to stay, similar to the US rules and regulations.
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I understand. Yes, he entered as a visitor. I am feeling pretty worried now. I must have misunderstood the information I got from the Swiss consulate in the US. I thought I understood that I should register myself and apply for this visa once we were here... Yikes.
Meh, don't worry about it. I came in as a tourist looking for a job and a place to live, then went back to Chicago for my permanent visa, even telling the Swiss consulate at that time what I did. No problems, as long as your husband doesn't overstay the three month limit, I'd think.
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Re: Family from U.S. relocating to Luzern

You don't need to worry about paying US tax. The deductable is now around 100K CHFs per year, plus you can deduct rent and add personal deductions. With these deductions, you need to have a brutto income of well over 120K before you even come near owing anything to the IRS. The caveat: you have to file your US tax forms every year to PROVE you don't owe anything. And the fbar reporting is just an added paperwork headache.

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My family- myself and husband, 10 year old daughter and 5 year old son- have just relocated to Luzern... The kids will be enrolled in public school... My husband and I are dance-theater makers/teachers/performers. We hope to be able to continue this work here in Switzerland and elsewhere in Europe.
I am sure I will be posting specific questions on this forum soon.
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If he gets a family reunification permit, assuming you have sufficient funds to support all your dependents since you don't have a job yet, then he can work and the permit bypasses the non-EU hiring criteria. More on family reunification:https://www.ch.ch/en/family-reunification-eu-efta/
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How did he enter the country? As a visitor?
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I understand. Yes, he entered as a visitor. I am feeling pretty worried now. I must have misunderstood the information I got from the Swiss consulate in the US. I thought I understood that I should register myself and apply for this visa once we were here... Yikes.
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Frankly, she didn't ask for any advice but it's very nice of you and your buddy to ram it down her throat. Great welcoming committee.
OP, welcome to the forum.
Patxi got a couple of thanks for her post here. I'm going to stick my neck out and risk a couple of groans.
Sure, the OP didn't ask for advice. However, if, on EF, we only ever answered the direct questions asked, a lot more folk would be in a lot more of a mess than they, unbeknown to themselves, already were when they posted.

I used to give swimming training. I had a co-trainer. He was loved and respected by the children, their parents, the committee and other coaches. Then I left the club. The standard of swimming went slowly down. At competitions, swimmers were disqualified for disobeying rules that they hadn't understood or didn't know existed.
My co-trainer, the nice cop, had remained the same pleasant fellow. Longbyt, the bad cop who had forced the children to toe the line, had gone.
As long as Medea and Roegner are the bad cops and break the bad news (with unsolicited advice) to newcomers, the rest of us can play nice cops and say that it probably doesn't really matter that the OP didn't stick to the rules. Probably the 'referee' won't notice or be forgiving in their specific case.

>PS I don't mean to imply that Medea and Roegner are always Bad Cops by the way. Loads of links and helpful information are given by them both too. If their replies to 'innocent' newcomers seem very negative sometimes it is because each newcomer who comes up with a similar scenario, should, sooner or later, understand the catches involved. We read the same information over and over again. The new members presumably don't.
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