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Well, I think it also depends on where you live in the States. In Oklahoma where I lived my early years some 55+ years ago, news was very local and if we heard anything about New York, LA, Washington, etc, it was because it was a big event - major disaster type. The rest of the world was even less reported. It's better now as you have more nationwide news channels rather than just local ones, but even so Americans are mostly dependent on what the news reports and it's still pretty US only focused.
I would agree with this. The local news here rarely reports on anything abroad, and if it does, it is likely a major story. One of the things I learned while traveling is Europeans, Canadians, and Asians (mostly Chinese) seem to travel quite a bit as part of their lifestyle while Americans do not. if one does not like to travel they are less likely to be interested in international news.
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I started to understand this after a few days in Europe. I am amazed of the ignorance displayed by most Americans. If its not about the NFL, Kim Kardashian, or hating/loving the President, my countrymen are not interested.
Not sure if you can make a blanket statement about Europeans being informed about the world and yanks being ignorant. It is a life style, info/data circulation, not really laziness. If you check the Geography and History textbooks of 3rd grades in Europe/US, or try to listen to a local radio station for some data...you kinda get the picture. Then loads of people filter info (if they actually want it) on preconcieved notions and particular needs for communication/entertainment that have nothing to do with education.

The insularity might be only geographical (all my yank friends travel) while critically thinking might be just fancy rhetorics there. Here - people rely on media less to "educate them" or take various "truths" that are delivered to them, with a grain of salt. Scepticism is a requirement in Europe for most debates. In the US it is a serious crime - people will call you up on it. Such a naysayer.

If you can't take data sceptically, you will end up happy, optimistic...and dumb But who says it is not better? At least sometimes. It is fun, quite kind and I miss the can-do spirit.
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Not sue if you can make a blanket starement about Europeans being informed about the world and yanks being ignorant. It is a life style, info/data circulation, not really laziness. If you check the Geography and History textbooks of 3rd grades in Europe/US, or try to listen to a local radio station for some data...you kinda get the picture. Then loads of people filter info (if they actually want it) on preconcieved notions and particular needs for communication/entertainment that have nothing to do with education. The insularity might be only geographical (all my yank friends travel) while critically thinking might be just fancy rhetorics there. Here - people rely on media less to "educate them" or take various "truths" that are delivered to them, with a grain of salt. Scepticism is a requirement in Europe for most debates. In the US it is a serious crime - people will call you up on it. Such a naysayer.
If you can't take data sceptically, you will end up happy, optimistic...and dumb
I would agree with my mistake of blanket assumptions however my exposure to Europeans has been limited vs Americans. I was educated on the importance of critical thinking and yet so many of my countrymen I have encountered seem to lack these skills. Refreshing to see this is not universal.

As I have aged I have become both more libertarian and skeptical, and yes being either in this polarized society gets one called out on it, so to speak. When I think back to about 1995, every few years society has been divided into two or three separate political ideas and those around you expect you to conform to one of them (preferably their point of view of course). I can remember thinking in high school, there has to be more to it than these two choices (conservative and democrat/socialist).
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Reification - taking an abstract idea as concrete. And fighting to death to defend it, thinking one's important because one is defending this personalized idea. If you put ego in there, you get folks who are more interested in politics than their wifes or kids or lovers or parents. Politics and dumb polarisation seem to split human bonds, it is really selfish, if you ask me.

Dichotomy, reductionism of thinking in opposing poles only, is very limiting. Nothing is black and white. No binary bs, pls. It is as myopic as ranking. As if everybody could always assess the degree or accept other people's theory on it. Very optimistic.

Hierarchization is the same bs - the slope/scale is often personal or totally arbitrary, based of affective needs, dubious criteria. It is all the rage now, especially if you dress it in assertive tone of authority or add a token value, something eye or palate pleasing..people wake up a decade later not knowing what kidnapped their brains. They did.
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I would agree with my mistake of blanket assumptions however my exposure to Europeans has been limited vs Americans. I was educated on the importance of critical thinking and yet so many of my countrymen I have encountered seem to lack these skills. Refreshing to see this is not universal.

As I have aged I have become both more libertarian and skeptical, and yes being either in this polarized society gets one called out on it, so to speak. When I think back to about 1995, every few years society has been divided into two or three separate political ideas and those around you expect you to conform to one of them (preferably their point of view of course). I can remember thinking in high school, there has to be more to it than these two choices (conservative and democrat/socialist).
The thing about Europeans and travel/awareness isn't as simple as an insular (or insulated) world view. Regularly seeing news stories about various nations next door is part of the equation, but I think the dominant factor is distance and accessibility, more accurately how we perceive distance and accessibility.

Growing up in Toronto I did a few trips to the US in my youth, mostly to Florida, but also Maine. These were "Big Trips" mentally to me, not so much because of crossing the border (was easier in the '80s and '90s), but more because of the sheer distance. Until I studied in Windsor I wouldn't have thought of going to Indiana for a car race or a music festival.

My children, born here in Zurich, think nothing of hopping on a train to go to a concert in Amsterdam, Leipzig, Hungary etc. I think the public transport system, combined with youth hostels plays a big role in this.

When "How do I get there?" is always resolved locally by "Take the train." the transport system subsumes the (perceived) cost and trouble of getting to your destination. In North America you more or less drive or fly (takes money, planning, access to a vehicle), and even a cheap motel is more of a cost factor than crashing at the youth hostel.

In short, when the "getting there" becomes trivial you're more likely to get up and go somewhere.
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EE (well, the EuroRail path Berlin-Prague-Vienna-Budapest) is so slammed with yank college backpackers, it in facts inhibits the local folk's mobility (no seats left on the trains). So being flexible is not a problem certainly for some, who gladly incorporare the dirt cheap EE stops on their EuroRail passes - they have it all figured out, booked and paid. Pretty impressive. But how much knowledge is actually absorbed..who knows. Two days in Prague, Berlin, Budapest and Vienna gets you good antipickpocket skills and some beer, goulash and schnitzel skills. Some yanks travel all the time, and not on parents credit cards. US is so big it is useless to stereotype. I know stellar travellers from tiny boonies and Native American reservations, and then those who never leave Brooklyn, yet would absorb more from their rare travels than those who move a lot.
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