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Potentially moving to Switzerland and really need advice.

Hello.

I currently live in Sheffield, England and I'm in a long term relationship with a Swiss national. My partner is more or less done with England and we're coming to the point where we will are seriously considering moving to Switzerland.

I'm 40 years old and unfortunately have zero formal qualifications. I've been working in the IT industry for the last 7 years and have a lot of experience with Windows server and the like but I have the understanding that without qualifications this will likely be useless.

My question ultimately is that if my partner and I are married and move to Switzerland, how realistic would it be for me to find some employment?

I don't mind changing career path and pretty much doing anything in order to just become a worker in Switzerland.

My partner is pretty qualified with regards to her career path and being a Swiss national I imagine she will be in a better position to support us but ultimately I want to go out to Switzerland feeling like I can earn money and be productive.

I'm really just looking for advice with regards to moving to Switzerland for a 40 year old with no qualifications. Is it indeed possible?

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Old 24.10.2017, 14:50
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Re: Potentially moving to Switzerland and really need advice.

I think its high, if you are an IT and you speak English, then you will have a high chance to get a job almost anywhere in the world

I have been working in US, South America, Germany, Uk, Gibraltar and now here in Switzerland
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Hello.

I currently live in Sheffield, England and I'm in a long term relationship with a Swiss national. My partner is more or less done with England and we're coming to the point where we will are seriously considering moving to Switzerland.

I'm 40 years old and unfortunately have zero formal qualifications. I've been working in the IT industry for the last 7 years and have a lot of experience with Windows server and the like but I have the understanding that without qualifications this will likely be useless.

My question ultimately is that if my partner and I are married and move to Switzerland, how realistic would it be for me to find some employment?

I don't mind changing career path and pretty much doing anything in order to just become a worker in Switzerland.

My partner is pretty qualified with regards to her career path and being a Swiss national I imagine she will be in a better position to support us but ultimately I want to go out to Switzerland feeling like I can earn money and be productive.

I'm really just looking for advice with regards to moving to Switzerland for a 40 year old with no qualifications. Is it indeed possible?

Thanks for reading.
Do you need advice or did you just want to complain? Seeing that you posted this in the complaints corner.

For jobs have a look around here, there have been plenty of answers on how to find a job, what qualifications are required and where to find unskilled jobs
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I completely posted this in the wrong section. I've asked the moderators to maybe delete it or move it to a more relevant section.

I'm not making a very good first impression.

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Do you need advice or did you just want to complain? Seeing that you posted this in the complaints corner.

For jobs have a look around here, there have been plenty of answers on how to find a job, what qualifications are required and where to find unskilled jobs
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I think its high, if you are an IT and you speak English, then you will have a high chance to get a job almost anywhere in the world

I have been working in US, South America, Germany, Uk, Gibraltar and now here in Switzerland
I have zero qualifications though from I left school before taking exams and whilst I went back to college in order to get enough qualifications to enter University I don't have a degree.

I have been learning french for two years though so I don't know if that would help.

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I think its high, if you are an IT and you speak English, then you will have a high chance to get a job almost anywhere in the world

I have been working in US, South America, Germany, Uk, Gibraltar and now here in Switzerland
I agree. It's mostly about work experience. In 8 years of working in IT in Switzerland (enterprise firms), I've never been asked to show any proof of qualifications.
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Re: Potentially moving to Switzerland and really need advice.

Part of the question is do you want to continue working in IT or would you consider other more menial work as well? You can probably find some sort of job and you could always consider starting your own business.

Where are you thinking of moving to in Switzerland though? Because western part is French speaking, but if you're thinking Zurich, Basel, Bern they're German.
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Do you need advice or did you just want to complain? Seeing that you posted this in the complaints corner.

For jobs have a look around here, there have been plenty of answers on how to find a job, what qualifications are required and where to find unskilled jobs
Many thanks. I will do. For some bizarre reason I posted this in completely the wrong section.

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I agree. It's mostly about work experience. In 8 years of working in IT in Switzerland (enterprise firms), I've never been asked to show any proof of qualifications.
That's quite positive. I heard it is very qualification orientated in Switzerland.

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Part of the question is do you want to continue working in IT or would you consider other more menial work as well? You can probably find some sort of job and you could always consider starting your own business.

Where are you thinking of moving to in Switzerland though? Because western part is French speaking, but if you're thinking Zurich, Basel, Bern they're German.
Yes if possible to staying in IT but I'm also open to the idea of doing more menial work. I understood though that a Swiss employer always had to where possible, give priority to a native for a job and I thought this would naturally always go against me because of not having the IT qualifications and also with regards to the menial jobs.

We would likely be looking at the Valais region to start but with a move to relocating to any of the French speaking regions should the work be there.

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I have zero qualifications though from I left school before taking exams and whilst I went back to college in order to get enough qualifications to enter University I don't have a degree.

I have been learning french for two years though so I don't know if that would help.
Look, in the IT business its always a Degree or equivalent experience, meaning, if you know what you do, how to do it, etc. then you are useful
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Look, in the IT business its always a Degree or equivalent experience, meaning, if you know what you do, how to do it, etc. then you are useful
I must admit in the UK not having qualifications in this field has rarely stopped me. It's just I've heard very different regarding Switzerland.

Thanks, my situation doesn't seem quite so hopeless now.
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Which Swiss languages do you speak?

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Which Swiss languages do you speak?

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I've been learning French for two years now. Not brilliant but I'm getting there and learning every day.
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I have zero qualifications though from I left school before taking exams and whilst I went back to college in order to get enough qualifications to enter University I don't have a degree.

I have been learning french for two years though so I don't know if that would help.
It's a start. A smattering of one of the local languages is a lot more than many employed expats I know here, especially if he's looking to enter an industry which is predominantly in English - especially if he settles in one of the larger cities.

OP, I think you are in with a fair to middling chance of finding a job. Look into international companies and get your CV as sharp as you can get it.

Oh, and if you can get some dynamite reference letters / recommendations that will also help you.
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It's a start. A smattering of one of the local languages is a lot more than many employed expats I know here, especially if he's looking to enter an industry which is predominantly in English - especially if he settles in one of the larger cities.
Partner was thinking of us going to Geneva or Lausanne once settled.

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OP, I think you are in with a fair to middling chance of finding a job. Look into international companies and get your CV as sharp as you can get it.
Thanks. That's very positive.

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Oh, and if you can get some dynamite reference letters / recommendations that will also help you.
That's good advice. I reckon my current and old employers might do that.

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Re: Potentially moving to Switzerland and really need advice.

Priority is Swiss/EU over non-EU and mostly emphasis is being put on hiring people who already live and work here. If you marry your partner or they get a concubine permit for you if you decide to co-habit then you'll get a B permit.

For someone out of uni then yes Swiss employers will want to see a degree, but at your age your experience may well offset the lack. Just depends really on the job and the employer.
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Priority is Swiss/EU over non-EU and mostly emphasis is being put on hiring people who already live and work here. If you marry your partner or they get a concubine permit for you if you decide to co-habit then you'll get a B permit.
So if we live together rather than be married, what status would that grant me?
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Priority is Swiss/EU over non-EU and mostly emphasis is being put on hiring people who already live and work here. If you marry your partner or they get a concubine permit for you if you decide to co-habit then you'll get a B permit.

For someone out of uni then yes Swiss employers will want to see a degree, but at your age your experience may well offset the lack. Just depends really on the job and the employer.
What's a "concubine" permit?
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Do you need advice or did you just want to complain? Seeing that you posted this in the complaints corner.

For jobs have a look around here, there have been plenty of answers on how to find a job, what qualifications are required and where to find unskilled jobs
7 years of work experience in IT is not someone looking for unskilled jobs. Seriously.
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Re: Potentially moving to Switzerland and really need advice.

While the Swiss like formal qualifications and have one for everything, once you're past a certain threshold, experience can easily compensate for the lack of formal qualifications. And the more experience you have and get, the less it matters what diploma you did or did not obtain 20 years ago.

Whether it's easy or not to find work in your particular field I cannot say. But the lack of formal qualifications probably won't be a major factor. Language skills may or may not be an issue depending on your seniority.

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So if we live together rather than be married, what status would that grant me?
The same status as if you were married. If you break up you lose the permit. Here's Vaud canton's info on the permit.

http://www.vd.ch/themes/vie-privee/p...s-du-concubin/

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What's a "concubine" permit?
The Swiss way of dealing with unmarried hetrosexual couples. That's what the permit they get is called.
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The Swiss way of dealing with unmarried hetrosexual couples. That's what the permit they get is called.
But very few cantons offer it.

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