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First step to Switzerland

Hi friends,
I am new here,

I want move to Switzerland. I hope you can give me some advices.

I ==>
-am an EU citizen(German)
-graduated from a University in Turkey and I work here since 2 years as a car sales advisor.
-can speak fluently German and English.(I've to make just a bit practice)

There are some reasons why I want to leave Turkey but they are not important for me any more. Because I've made my decision.

According to me Switzerland is a perfect country.

Now I don't know where I should start.
I left my job and I've around 3k Franc and nothing else to make a first step to Switzerland.

Which steps would you make?/Should I make?

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Re: First step to Switzerland

Go and find yourself a job in Switzerland. Sites:
indeed.ch
jobs.ch
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Re: First step to Switzerland

Unfortunately, leaving your job before you've found one here first isn't the best first step to take. Why? Because, with only 3,000 francs you have just about enough to be here to job hunt for 1 month. The general figure to work to is CHF100 a day so your money isn't going to stretch very far. After that you'll have to leave and go elsewhere. Since you've only worked in Turkey that's the only place you might get any unemployment benefit so that's where you'll likely have to return to. Germany might be possible, but I don't know what help they have for German citizens who haven't worked in the country before.

You would end up spending most of that money on accommodation - either in an hotel or as a deposit to rent a place which leaves you with nothing to live on. If you did rent you'd then be stuck with having to give notice to leave almost immediately and would still be liable for several months rent even if you move out quickly since most contracts require a minimum 3 months' notice to terminate.

So my advice is to beg your previous boss to get your old job back and then start applying for jobs here. Or find another job in Turkey so you can support yourself and then start looking - that's your first step. Sorry if it's not what you want to hear, but your finances simply won't let you be here long enough to find a job.
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Re: First step to Switzerland

Thank you for your quick response

You're right but I had enough from everything here in Turkey.

May be it will better if I start with a move to Germany.

Making money in Turkey seems easier for me but when I go to the exchange bureau and want 1k Franc I've to pay almost all my savings from last 6 months. These times Turkish Lira has the worst time of its history. And the future doesnt seem bright...
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Re: First step to Switzerland

Yes, resigning without a next job is seldom wise. Still, I can understand that you want to get out, and move on.

One option would be to make a couchsurfing profile, including spending some time thinking very carefully about what to write about yourself there. Read many other couchsurfing profiles. Write to some of the more interesting people in a region of Switzerland in which you would potentially like to live. Choose people who say on their profiles that they like to spend time talking with their guests. Don't forget about the areas just outside the city. Then request to couchsurf for two or three nights.

Once you have four or more hosts in the same city, book a flight to Switzerland (and return trip to Turkey) and stay with each host for just those few days. Make sure you see this as a holiday, and as a way to investigate what is possible here.

Wherever you couchsurf, make sure you are respectful towards the hosts, and perhaps cook them a meal or help out in some way, and clean up after yourself. As long as you do this, you are more likely to get into good conversations. Ask your hosts for their advice about your situation. Be sure to leave on the day you and they arranged, and not to overstay your welcome.

You could also do a lot online research of any potential employers in your field, and see whether it might be possible to establish contact while here. If you are able to do that, emphasise that you are a German citizen, because, in terms of Swiss permits, that is so much easier than if you had only Turkish citizenship. And ask them for their advice, for you, as you try to immigrate.

You might be lucky and find a job right away. This is very unlikely, though. However, if you, even though you are a university graduate, are willing to take on any kind of work at all, you might consider many more options than only that for which you are qualified. This is a good thread about working without qualifications.
https://www.englishforum.ch/employme...fications.html

On your holiday here you could ask around and see if you could find any kind of work that earns you just enough for any kind of accommodation (a rented room in someone else's shared flat), and the obligatory Swiss medical insurance, and food and transport. Then you could live here (make sure you register with the authorities, then) just to try it out, as it were. Once you've got a modest base set up, you can look for more challenging work.

I'm not saying this would be an easy way to progress. But with a little good luck, it could become possible, especially if you worked very hard, talked to many, many people, gathered advice, did your research well, and were prepared to live on very little money, at least to start with.

EDIT: you could do all that I just wrote just as well in Germany, instead of or as well as in Switzerland. Just remember that food in Switzerland will cost you more, while you are couchsurfing and looking around.
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Re: First step to Switzerland

First of all thanks for your great answer.

I thought about a lot but couchsurfing is something new for me. I believe that it might be a very ideal solution for my situation.

I believe also that I can create my luck after I will arrive.

I'm starting my research about couchsurfing now. I will take your advices as a lesson
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Re: First step to Switzerland

Why Switzerland? And not Germany or Austria?
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According to me Switzerland is a perfect country.
Yes, roegner is right to ask "why Switzerland". It's one thing to have a dream, and another to know on what you have based it. I think this it is important to research and test the reality. Good idea to have a look at Austria, too.

If you make a couchsurfing profile, you could take your first steps in couchsurfing in Turkey, maybe even not so far from where you live. That way, you would learn how it works before you spend a lot of money coming to more expensive countries. In Turkey, too, choose hosts whose profiles say they like to discuss things, and then ask their advice. Go to several different people. Write considerate, careful references and ask your hosts to write for you, too. Those references will build your profile.
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Re: First step to Switzerland

As I observe Switzerland has solved some general problems about humanity, life conditions, in many areas they've a culture(business, urbanization, community etc.), and perspective of their citizens.
Of course Austria and Germany are also great countries and good alternatives for me.
Those are all researches via internet or heard from acquaintances.
I hope I can experience a part of my life in Switzerland.
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I don't think Switzerland has solved anything more than any other country has. What do you mean by humanity and life conditions? There are poor people here, same as in any other country. Culture - well, yes Switzerland has its own unique customs and traditions the same as other countries do, but if you think the Swiss are especially friendly and welcoming then read some of the threads here on the forum and you'll see it's often otherwise. Yes, some are friendly and others are not, again same as in any other country. There's nothing particularly "special" about Switzerland over any of the other countries you've mentioned.

If you do decide to try Germany instead then you could see what advice you can get from our sister forum there:

https://www.toytowngermany.com/forum/
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Two things I think Switzerland excels at, compared to many other countries, are public transport and compulsory basic medical insurance. Of course, both of those have disadvantages, too, especially in terms of the amount an individual has to pay for them. But they do set a kind of base-line which ensures that most people will receive medical treatment, and a lot of them will be able to get to and from the doctor even if they have no access to a car.

The website www.ch.ch is an excellent resource, explaining (or at least linking to government sites about) many aspects of life in Switzerland.
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Re: First step to Switzerland

I think he was referring more to the business culture and way of dealing with public affairs.

If you don't find anything from Turkey it's probably easier if you start by moving to weil am rhein or something and look for jobs in Basel which is also close to other cities by train.
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Oh, yes, could well be that he meant business culture and public affairs, as you say. I think I looked at only "humanity" and "life conditions" out of his list.
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I don't think Switzerland has solved anything more than any other country has. What do you mean by humanity and life conditions? There are poor people here, same as in any other country. Culture - well, yes Switzerland has its own unique customs and traditions the same as other countries do, but if you think the Swiss are especially friendly and welcoming then read some of the threads here on the forum and you'll see it's often otherwise. Yes, some are friendly and others are not, again same as in any other country. There's nothing particularly "special" about Switzerland over any of the other countries you've mentioned.

If you do decide to try Germany instead then you could see what advice you can get from our sister forum there:

https://www.toytowngermany.com/forum/

Of course you can find everywhere a problem. In Turkey if you are an anti-government person its even difficult to find a job. Is there a problem like this in Switzerland? No. Poor people are also anywhere. But income distribution is a very important point.
http://www.oecd.org/social/income-di...n-database.htm
You can see the gini coefficient here of 2015 it’s getting worse day by day in Turkey and you can also see in which point Switzerland is. I can’t talk about the countries I visited only 4-5 times. But my researches shows me that Switzerland is one of the best alternatives.
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Re: First step to Switzerland

Good, you want the salary here. Which is fine

But still 3 k CHF wonīt give you long here to find a job. Best to apply for jobs from where you are as you will have the advantage of being from the EU.

Sorry to be blunt but Switzerland IS expensive and job search can take quite a while here!
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Re: First step to Switzerland

I believe I've get enough info from you guys.

I'll map out a route from all of your recommendations.

I will share my experiences as soon as I get into action
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Re: First step to Switzerland

Be careful if you decide to go to Germany, it is said that the Diaspora Turkish are more Turkish than the Turks in Turkey. In Germany you will be taken into the Turkish community depending if you are for or against Erdogan so donīt get the two mixed up.
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Be careful if you decide to go to Germany, it is said that the Diaspora Turkish are more Turkish than the Turks in Turkey. In Germany you will be taken into the Turkish community depending if you are for or against Erdogan so donīt get the two mixed up.
But the OP is German.
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But the OP is German.
Oh, missed that bit.
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Re: First step to Switzerland

Wherever you go, you should anticipate that even if you are well-qualified for a position in terms of your CV and experience, it will likely take at least several months to secure a job and actually start working. Many companies may also want to see a residence permit before they formalise any paperwork. Best to have some income while you are going through the process of applying and interviewing and figuring out what other documentation hoops you will have to jump through first.
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