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hello everyone, i've been thinking about moving to switzerland and just signed up to see if you guys could help me with some doubts i have.

I've been in Geneva last year on holiday and loved it: the scenery, the culture, the extremely organized way of doing things. Add the high quality of life it provides and i could see myself living there for the rest of my life.

I'm 27, from portugal, and have a masters in chemistry. Worked for 2 years currently unemployed. I've been sending CV's for a while with no reply. So i thought maybe it could be a good idea going there for some time and look for jobs directly in switzerland: employers could see me imediatly, no wait for interviews, no time needed for relocation as i am already there...
I speak fluent english and french.

Now the questions:

What do you guys think about me renting an apartment for 1-2 months and look for jobs directly in switzerland? Is it even possible not having a job or bank account there?
Maybe it would be easy going through airbnb?

How does it work getting the university degree recognized for switzerland? I've sent an email to the embassy and they told me it is an individual responsability of every company interested in hiring me.
Is this true?

What city has the most oportunities for someone with my profile? Geneva? Sion? I know Basel is big on chemistry, but i don't speak german...
Maybe looking for a temporary job while trying to learn the language? How's the temp jobs market in switzerland?

Please help me.
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Old 19.02.2018, 20:21
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Re: Going to switzerland

Welcome and have a look around here, loads of questions answered already.
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Old 19.02.2018, 20:31
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Re: Going to switzerland

Hi and welcome to the forum.

How about this?
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Re: Going to switzerland

Yes, it's possible. As an EU national you can be here for up to 3 months without having to register as being resident, though you wouldn't be able to get a bank account here.

Yes, it's down to employers to do any checks they want as regards your qualifications. There are certain professions where they have to be recognised by an official Swiss organisation before someone would be able to practice, but chemisty isn't one of them.

It might be a bit easier being on the spot, but bear in mind the Swiss voted to curb immigration from the EU back in 2014. Though the Swiss government didn't go down the quota route, more and more emphasis is being put on employers to hire people who already have a permit to live/work here - and that wouldn't be you.

However, if you've had no feeback from your applications at all I can't see that being on the spot will make much difference. You may need to look at rewriting your CV to suit the Swiss market or see if there's anything else that needs changing. Just being here isn't going to make any difference if the CV/cover letter aren't making you stand out from other candidates.
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hello everyone, i've been thinking about moving to switzerland and just signed up to see if you guys could help me with some doubts i have.

I've been in Geneva last year on holiday and loved it: the scenery, the culture, the extremely organized way of doing things. Add the high quality of life it provides and i could see myself living there for the rest of my life.

I'm 27, from portugal, and have a masters in chemistry. Worked for 2 years currently unemployed. I've been sending CV's for a while with no reply. So i thought maybe it could be a good idea going there for some time and look for jobs directly in switzerland: employers could see me imediatly, no wait for interviews, no time needed for relocation as i am already there...
I speak fluent english and french.

Now the questions:

What do you guys think about me renting an apartment for 1-2 months and look for jobs directly in switzerland? Is it even possible not having a job or bank account there?
Maybe it would be easy going through airbnb?

How does it work getting the university degree recognized for switzerland? I've sent an email to the embassy and they told me it is an individual responsability of every company interested in hiring me.
Is this true?

What city has the most oportunities for someone with my profile? Geneva? Sion? I know Basel is big on chemistry, but i don't speak german...
Maybe looking for a temporary job while trying to learn the language? How's the temp jobs market in switzerland?

Please help me.

Geneva has a substantial, well-established Portugese community:
http://www.lusofonart.ch/wordpress/


https://yellow.local.ch/fr/d/Geneve/...xbWvmKSJInA91g


Maybe one of the above will be able to give you more specific guidance?
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It might be a bit easier being on the spot, but bear in mind the Swiss voted to curb immigration from the EU back in 2014. Though the Swiss government didn't go down the quota route, more and more emphasis is being put on employers to hire people who already have a permit to live/work here - and that wouldn't be you.
Medea, first of all, please stop spreading this rumor. Not only employers don't give a sheet about it, but also an immigration official told me the same thing.

Second, it's a fact that in general CH lacks labor (3.3% unemployment) so no, employers don't have that much of a choice.
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Re: Going to switzerland

Yeah, it has really high unemployment.

http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/documen...8-5dbcdbe6908e
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This is really a non-issue, as there are plenty of people living and working here not speaking a word of it.
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This is really a non-issue, as there are plenty of people living and working here not speaking a word of it.


Yes, but does it have the wonderful Portuguese restaurants and cake shops we enjoy in Geneva?
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Re: Going to switzerland

How good is your French? If you're fluent then I know someone working in Valais for a chemical engineering company that can't hire people fast enough at the moment.
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Medea, first of all, please stop spreading this rumor. Not only employers don't give a sheet about it, but also an immigration official told me the same thing.

Second, it's a fact that in general CH lacks labor (3.3% unemployment) so no, employers don't have that much of a choice.
The implementation of the outcome of the 2014 Swiss immigration referendum was an order to employers to prioritise Swiss residents rather than foreign workers in industries, sectors or regions where the unemployment rate is above average.

Unemployment average rate in Switzerland ended 2017 at 3.2% and was 5.4% in Geneva.

Employers face a penalty of up to CHF 40k for non-compliance.

The UDC / SVP are currently collecting signatures to launch a new vote to limit immigration from EU and EFTA nations.
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Medea, first of all, please stop spreading this rumor. Not only employers don't give a sheet about it, but also an immigration official told me the same thing.
I beg to differ. I work for a big SWX company in Vaud. Since the beginning of the year, when the 2014 vote went into effect, we have been facing real difficulties securing work permits for people. We have been told explicitly by the federal office for work permits to hire Swiss residents; the barrier to getting permits even for EU citizens is becoming pretty high and for 3rd country citizens is basically impossible. The situation is currently exactly as Medea described; hopefully this will eventually relax a bit more as the attention dies down.
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I beg to differ. I work for a big SWX company in Vaud. Since the beginning of the year, when the 2014 vote went into effect, we have been facing real difficulties securing work permits for people. We have been told explicitly by the federal office for work permits to hire Swiss residents; the barrier to getting permits even for EU citizens is becoming pretty high and for 3rd country citizens is basically impossible. The situation is currently exactly as Medea described; hopefully this will eventually relax a bit more as the attention dies down.
It's a bu*** for EU citizen the employer does nothing just sign the contract, then the employee comes here goes to the commune and get permit B.
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Employers face a penalty of up to CHF 40k for non-compliance.
Never heard of it but sounds interesting. Nonetheless if an employer is willing to pay 20k+ for sourcing someone from the 3rd world a 40k should be no issue to get someone from EU quickly.
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It's a bu*** for EU citizen the employer does nothing just sign the contract, then the employee comes here goes to the commune and get permit B.
They have started making us document that no 'local' candidate has been found before granting the work permit (VD). EU Citizens are after all supposed to be behind Swiss residents in the queue. I'm not sure it makes much difference in the outcome, but requires paperwork on the part of the employer and a lot of back-and-forth bureaucracy with the foreigner's office, which did not used to be the case. Also a lot of the short-term stays (e.g. 2 months) now apparently require a permit, whereas before they did not for EU citizens.
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I beg to differ. I work for a big SWX company in Vaud. Since the beginning of the year, when the 2014 vote went into effect, we have been facing real difficulties securing work permits for people. We have been told explicitly by the federal office for work permits to hire Swiss residents; the barrier to getting permits even for EU citizens is becoming pretty high and for 3rd country citizens is basically impossible. The situation is currently exactly as Medea described; hopefully this will eventually relax a bit more as the attention dies down.
That's strange.

We've hired quite a few people recently and are still hiring. None have been Swiss residents and we are in the process of now hiring someone that is non-EU. We are also looking in VD.

But, I'm looking for a new job.
Hook me up with your HR!
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How good is your French? If you're fluent then I know someone working in Valais for a chemical engineering company that can't hire people fast enough at the moment.
My english is fluent/close to native i would say C2, french is good but probably not as good as english i would say B2
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The implementation of the outcome of the 2014 Swiss immigration referendum was an order to employers to prioritise Swiss residents rather than foreign workers in industries, sectors or regions where the unemployment rate is above average.

Unemployment average rate in Switzerland ended 2017 at 3.2% and was 5.4% in Geneva.

Employers face a penalty of up to CHF 40k for non-compliance.

The UDC / SVP are currently collecting signatures to launch a new vote to limit immigration from EU and EFTA nations.
I am not finding the official implementation document but as far as I remember the threshold was something like 6% ou 8% to put that order into force.

EDIT: read my last post: https://www.englishforum.ch/2913175-post21.html

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I beg to differ. I work for a big SWX company in Vaud. Since the beginning of the year, when the 2014 vote went into effect, we have been facing real difficulties securing work permits for people. We have been told explicitly by the federal office for work permits to hire Swiss residents; the barrier to getting permits even for EU citizens is becoming pretty high and for 3rd country citizens is basically impossible. The situation is currently exactly as Medea described; hopefully this will eventually relax a bit more as the attention dies down.
The canton can RECOMMEND that your company hire Swiss residents, but it can't force the company or deny permit B for EU citizens. It's federal law.

As previously discussed, the agreed implementation of the 2014 referendum, in order to not activate the guillotine clause on the EU-accords, is to prioritize Swiss residents ONLY if the unemployment rate is above a certain threshold, which I can't remember exactly now if it's 6% ou 8%.


EDIT: read my last post: https://www.englishforum.ch/2913175-post21.html

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They have started making us document that no 'local' candidate has been found before granting the work permit (VD). EU Citizens are after all supposed to be behind Swiss residents in the queue. I'm not sure it makes much difference in the outcome, but requires paperwork on the part of the employer and a lot of back-and-forth bureaucracy with the foreigner's office, which did not used to be the case. Also a lot of the short-term stays (e.g. 2 months) now apparently require a permit, whereas before they did not for EU citizens.
It's valid just for non-EU national. Canton VD can only differentiate between EU non-resident citizens and Swiss/resident citizens if the unemployment rate in the canton and in the sector is over a certain threshold, which I can't find right now how much is it.

The cantons with the highest unemployment rate are Neuchâtel (5.6%), Vaud (4.7%), Valais (4.7%), Geneva (5.3%), and Jura (4.6%).
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