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Christine 13.02.2020 19:52

Moving/Retiring to CH
 
Hello Everyone,

I'm Christine, a US citizen, married for 20 years to my husband who has dual US/Swiss citizenship. We are making the exciting/nerve-wracking decision to relocate to CH in the coming year. The US is not a place I recognize much anymore, honestly, but that is just part of it. We also have an autistic son who is about to turn 18 and Switzerland is, from what we can tell, a much more inclusive environment (My sister in law has Downs Syndrome). We want him to have a rich and full life and where we live in the US things are rather bleak in that regard. It is depressing, really. All of our relatives live in Switzerland. We have a flat where we can stay for cheap temporarily (and maybe longer), and my youngest son is considering possible careers/university (he's 15) and we would like him to feel able to attend school in Switzerland. All that being said, My husband is 62 so we are at an age where the transition has a lot of ramifications. He works in an international field and we are fairly sure he could find work and when he retires in 5 years we will have both US and Swiss pensions to draw on. I've been reading through the archived messages on this forum and am so thankful for all the information available!! Specifically I'd love to connect with anyone on this forum who has relocated to Switzerland from the US with a disabled dependent -- this is our biggest motivator and concern. We have been spending 3 months/year in Switzerland for the past 5 years so I feel like I have a healthy respect for the challenges but we also love it and I'm excited to make this change.

doropfiz 13.02.2020 20:01

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Welcome to the Forum. That's an interesting life-change you're considering.

Just checking: are your sons both [registered as] Swiss, too, like your husband?

Who speaks which languages?

MusicChick 13.02.2020 20:03

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Hello Christine and welcome to our community.

You have placed your post in the correct forum, it is well written, too. I have approved your post while thinking good luck with the move and most of all, don't move before your hb has a job here, really. At 62 it may not be so easy. Will you be moving for a job? Things might be challenging for your children at their age if they do not speak the local language...and in terms of inclusion, it really depends.

Cheers, on behalf of admin.

Christine 13.02.2020 20:05

Thank you. Yes, my children all are dual citizens. I'm the only one who is not a US citizen. However I am studying German now and hope to start the application this summer when we are there. My children all speak German but not fluently. They are also hard at work now and I hope they will improve quickly.

Thank you. We are hopeful about the job prospects and he already has some interviews lined up. But he can also work remotely at his current job if he needs to, which he does now for 3 mos/year. And yes, I agree that it might be challenging for our youngest, especially.

Guest 13.02.2020 20:12

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Originally Posted by MusicChick (Post 3148021)

Cheers, on behalf of the moderating team.

FTFY


Hi there Christine. Welcome to the forum, I hope you find the info you need.

It is possible you might not find CH as inclusive as you hope and Swiss hirings get notoriously difficult as one ages.

Christine 13.02.2020 20:15

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That is, not a *Swiss* citizen.

roegner 13.02.2020 20:20

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Originally Posted by Christine (Post 3148027)
That is, not a *Swiss* citizen.

No worries, we got that :)

Welcome, hope it all works out for you!

MusicChick 13.02.2020 20:21

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Originally Posted by Christine (Post 3148024)
Thank you. We are hopeful about the job prospects and he already has some interviews lined up. But he can also work remotely at his current job if he needs to, which he does now for 3 mos/year. And yes, I agree that it might be challenging for our youngest, especially.

Yes, I would not move with a 15yr old here. After they finish high school it would be easier. But then local uni is out of question if they aren't fluent in German. On the other hand, sounds like you, guys, have relatives here, so probably run everything by them and see?

doropfiz 13.02.2020 20:22

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You say you'll have both US and Swiss pensions, at least in 5 years' time, so that sounds good.

I'm sure you'll surmise that most of the people moving here are younger than you and your husband, and so the answers tend to be different. I'm not sure whether you have qualifications and whether you yourself intend to look for work. Even so, you might find it informative to have a read through Kiwi2Swiss's thread of a few years ago.
Although their initial set-up is different from yours, she and her husband were also, as they say here, "no longer 20 [years old]". They were in Switzerland for a few years and then decided to return to NZ.

https://www.englishforum.ch/employme...fications.html

Christine 13.02.2020 20:23

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Thank you! I guess it is the same all over -- No place is as inclusive as we hope it will be and getting older sucks :-) But we are ever optimistic!!

Belgianmum 13.02.2020 20:26

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Originally Posted by MusicChick (Post 3148032)
Yes, I would not move with a 15yr old here. After they finish high school it would be easier. But then local uni is out of question if they aren't fluent in German. On the other hand, sounds like you, guys, have relatives here, so probably run everything by them and see?

Why do they need to be fluent in German to go to a local uni?

There are universities in the other linguistic regions of Switzerland too.

MusicChick 13.02.2020 20:33

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Originally Posted by Belgianmum (Post 3148036)
Why do they need to be fluent in German to go to a local uni?

There are universities in the other linguistic regions of Switzerland too.

They are learning German already if you read OP. If they restart IT/Fr from scratch now, won't make it easier. Most unies need C1 for entry.

Christine 13.02.2020 20:33

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Thank you for the link. I will certainly read this. I am a full-time caregiver for my son so I would not be looking for employment.

Belgianmum 13.02.2020 20:37

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Originally Posted by MusicChick (Post 3148041)
They are learning German already if you read OP. If they restart IT/Fr from scratch now, won't make it easier. Most unies need C1 for entry.

It doesn’t say they’re learning German anywhere in the OP nor in the post you quoted nor in their location.:rolleyes:

I only saw the German reference in the other post after making my comment. That doesn’t necessarily mean that they don’t already speak French or Italian already.

I do agree that 15 is a very difficult age to come here and would only really be feasible if he went to an International school.

MusicChick 13.02.2020 20:46

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Originally Posted by Christine (Post 3148042)
Thank you for the link. I will certainly read this. I am a full-time caregiver for my son so I would not be looking for employment.

It may be difficult to have an inclusion as a goal when your autistic adult child is not speaking German. If you can, or your hubby, contact local societies and groups for autists and brainstorm with them. I will not give you our Francophone contacts but somebody will come up with something. Churches here are very inclusive, usually, full of networking and knowlegeable contacts. I also hope that your hb is a high earner, since a couple of grown dependants on one salary and a special needs child might be tough. I like your spirit, ever optimist!

Christine 13.02.2020 20:52

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I've been reading and trying to envision what this would mean for my 15 year old. He has a somewhat decent fluency in German and has a few friends his age. Is it something about the particular school demands at that age? He is now in a specialized math and engineering program at school. Would that not translate to something similar in the Swiss system? I've been reading on the education forum but it isn't that clear.

Belgianmum 13.02.2020 20:56

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Originally Posted by Christine (Post 3148053)
I've been reading and trying to envision what this would mean for my 15 year old. He has a somewhat decent fluency in German and has a few friends his age. Is it something about the particular school demands at that age? He is now in a specialized math and engineering program at school. Would that not translate to something similar in the Swiss system? I've been reading on the education forum but it isn't that clear.

At 15 he is past the age of obligatory schooling in Switzerland so there is no obligation for them to provide schooling for him.
If he has a decent level of German and is good in maths and technical stuff he may be able to get a place in a technical school and study for a CFC and maturité professionnelle ( not sure of the German terms for those) and try for uni via that route. His German almost certainly won’t be good enough for him to go directly to gymnasium here.

Christine 13.02.2020 21:02

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Originally Posted by MusicChick (Post 3148050)
It may be difficult to have an inclusion as a goal when your autistic adult child is not speaking German. ... I like your spirit, ever optimist!

Thank you!!

Actually, my autistic son does not speak at all -- he types. And his German is the best for all of us learning. He has his father's knack for languages (He speaks nine!).

And thanks for saying that about our Spirit. We have lived all over the world and now have many things pulling us towards Switzerland, and many people helping make it possible for us. We are lucky!

MusicChick 13.02.2020 21:05

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Originally Posted by Christine (Post 3148061)
Thank you!!

Actually, my autistic son does not speak at all -- he types. And his German is the best for all of us learning. He has his father's knack for languages (He speaks nine!).

And thanks for saying that about our Spirit. We have lived all over the world and now have many things pulling us towards Switzerland, and many people helping make it possible for us. We are lucky!

Good for you.

I come across people like your son, memorising all grammar rules there are in a couple of evenings! :thumbup:

Jim2007 13.02.2020 21:34

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Originally Posted by Christine (Post 3148019)
My husband is 62 so we are at an age where the transition has a lot of ramifications. He works in an international field and we are fairly sure he could find work and when he retires in 5 years we will have both US and Swiss pensions to draw on.

At 62 I would be very pessimistic about his chances of finding work... 55 seems to be the magic age. And there are plenty of well educated and experienced people on this form over 55 and struggling to find something.


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