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Moving/Retiring to CH

Hello Everyone,

I'm Christine, a US citizen, married for 20 years to my husband who has dual US/Swiss citizenship. We are making the exciting/nerve-wracking decision to relocate to CH in the coming year. The US is not a place I recognize much anymore, honestly, but that is just part of it. We also have an autistic son who is about to turn 18 and Switzerland is, from what we can tell, a much more inclusive environment (My sister in law has Downs Syndrome). We want him to have a rich and full life and where we live in the US things are rather bleak in that regard. It is depressing, really. All of our relatives live in Switzerland. We have a flat where we can stay for cheap temporarily (and maybe longer), and my youngest son is considering possible careers/university (he's 15) and we would like him to feel able to attend school in Switzerland. All that being said, My husband is 62 so we are at an age where the transition has a lot of ramifications. He works in an international field and we are fairly sure he could find work and when he retires in 5 years we will have both US and Swiss pensions to draw on. I've been reading through the archived messages on this forum and am so thankful for all the information available!! Specifically I'd love to connect with anyone on this forum who has relocated to Switzerland from the US with a disabled dependent -- this is our biggest motivator and concern. We have been spending 3 months/year in Switzerland for the past 5 years so I feel like I have a healthy respect for the challenges but we also love it and I'm excited to make this change.
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Re: Moving/Retiring to CH

Welcome to the Forum. That's an interesting life-change you're considering.

Just checking: are your sons both [registered as] Swiss, too, like your husband?

Who speaks which languages?
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Thank you. Yes, my children all are dual citizens. I'm the only one who is not a US citizen. However I am studying German now and hope to start the application this summer when we are there. My children all speak German but not fluently. They are also hard at work now and I hope they will improve quickly.

Thank you. We are hopeful about the job prospects and he already has some interviews lined up. But he can also work remotely at his current job if he needs to, which he does now for 3 mos/year. And yes, I agree that it might be challenging for our youngest, especially.

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Re: Moving/Retiring to CH

That is, not a *Swiss* citizen.
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No worries, we got that

Welcome, hope it all works out for you!
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Re: Moving/Retiring to CH

Hello Christine and welcome to our community.

You have placed your post in the correct forum, it is well written, too. I have approved your post while thinking good luck with the move and most of all, don't move before your hb has a job here, really. At 62 it may not be so easy. Will you be moving for a job? Things might be challenging for your children at their age if they do not speak the local language...and in terms of inclusion, it really depends.

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Hi there Christine. Welcome to the forum, I hope you find the info you need.

It is possible you might not find CH as inclusive as you hope and Swiss hirings get notoriously difficult as one ages.
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Re: Moving/Retiring to CH

You say you'll have both US and Swiss pensions, at least in 5 years' time, so that sounds good.

I'm sure you'll surmise that most of the people moving here are younger than you and your husband, and so the answers tend to be different. I'm not sure whether you have qualifications and whether you yourself intend to look for work. Even so, you might find it informative to have a read through Kiwi2Swiss's thread of a few years ago.
Although their initial set-up is different from yours, she and her husband were also, as they say here, "no longer 20 [years old]". They were in Switzerland for a few years and then decided to return to NZ.

https://www.englishforum.ch/employme...fications.html

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Thank you for the link. I will certainly read this. I am a full-time caregiver for my son so I would not be looking for employment.
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Thank you for the link. I will certainly read this. I am a full-time caregiver for my son so I would not be looking for employment.
It may be difficult to have an inclusion as a goal when your autistic adult child is not speaking German. If you can, or your hubby, contact local societies and groups for autists and brainstorm with them. I will not give you our Francophone contacts but somebody will come up with something. Churches here are very inclusive, usually, full of networking and knowlegeable contacts. I also hope that your hb is a high earner, since a couple of grown dependants on one salary and a special needs child might be tough. I like your spirit, ever optimist!
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Re: Moving/Retiring to CH

Thank you! I guess it is the same all over -- No place is as inclusive as we hope it will be and getting older sucks :-) But we are ever optimistic!!
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Thank you. We are hopeful about the job prospects and he already has some interviews lined up. But he can also work remotely at his current job if he needs to, which he does now for 3 mos/year. And yes, I agree that it might be challenging for our youngest, especially.
Yes, I would not move with a 15yr old here. After they finish high school it would be easier. But then local uni is out of question if they aren't fluent in German. On the other hand, sounds like you, guys, have relatives here, so probably run everything by them and see?
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Yes, I would not move with a 15yr old here. After they finish high school it would be easier. But then local uni is out of question if they aren't fluent in German. On the other hand, sounds like you, guys, have relatives here, so probably run everything by them and see?
Why do they need to be fluent in German to go to a local uni?

There are universities in the other linguistic regions of Switzerland too.
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Why do they need to be fluent in German to go to a local uni?

There are universities in the other linguistic regions of Switzerland too.
They are learning German already if you read OP. If they restart IT/Fr from scratch now, won't make it easier. Most unies need C1 for entry.
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They are learning German already if you read OP. If they restart IT/Fr from scratch now, won't make it easier. Most unies need C1 for entry.
It doesn’t say they’re learning German anywhere in the OP nor in the post you quoted nor in their location.

I only saw the German reference in the other post after making my comment. That doesn’t necessarily mean that they don’t already speak French or Italian already.

I do agree that 15 is a very difficult age to come here and would only really be feasible if he went to an International school.

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My husband is 62 so we are at an age where the transition has a lot of ramifications. He works in an international field and we are fairly sure he could find work and when he retires in 5 years we will have both US and Swiss pensions to draw on.
At 62 I would be very pessimistic about his chances of finding work... 55 seems to be the magic age. And there are plenty of well educated and experienced people on this form over 55 and struggling to find something.
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Re: Moving/Retiring to CH

Thank you. We aren't too worried about that because he can keep working remotely at his current job if he doesn't find anything locally.
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Thank you. We aren't too worried about that because he can keep working remotely at his current job if he doesn't find anything locally.
Some people had the same set up and got stranded. Which is I guess a bit easier in their 30s and not with a trailing spouse and grown kids (they cost a lot here, simple things like books, clothes, insurance policies, courses, private tutors, hobbies, sports...social life is expensive). Your family here might also treat you differently when you visit and pay them rent, staying in their place and when you might need a back up, help....etc. He will be in his element, you and kids not. I know you see it positively compared to the US somewhat fake lives there. Here it is real, but it can be very difficult reality. Not trying to discourage you, only have you think about yourself. Made the leap myself, what later proved reality was more than hard.
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Here it is real, but it can be very difficult reality. Not trying to discourage you, only have you think about yourself. Made the leap myself, what later proved reality was more than hard.
Yes, as my husband is fond of telling me: A vacation is not real life!

These are good reminders and I appreciate it. We have lived together with our children in countries where neither of us was fluent in the language and somehow made it work. Besides, we can always leave if it doesn't work out. We are lucky to have a place to live in two countries no matter what. How lucky that we have the opportunity to try.
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At 62 I would be very pessimistic about his chances of finding work... 55 seems to be the magic age. And there are plenty of well educated and experienced people on this form over 55 and struggling to find something.

I echo Jim's thoughts. My OH works for a Swiss bank and it seems, whenever there are cutbacks, those picked tend to be in the retirement bracket 58-62 years of age (sad but true!). What is really sad, is that those chosen to receive redundancy/early retirement are quite productive (at least in OH's experience!). Meanwhile, there are many in my OH's view, who are in their 40s and Swiss and who take vacations, sick time, cigarette breaks you name it. In short, there is much dead wood but the ones asked to leave are often those who are older. My guess is they are expensive given pension contributions by the employer.

That said, I have friends here whose husbands have been retired or let go, and some have managed to carve out very successful consulting careers. I wish you success OP! It is not easy to navigate moving to a new country but at least you are doing your homework.

I hope all works out well for you and your family!
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