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westernfrontier 28.03.2020 14:43

Moving to Switzerland due to a new job
 
Hello,


I am a USA citizen and also have a permanent German residency. I have been offered a new job which is in the Canton of Valais (Visp)



If I get the Permit G. I can commute between Germany and Swiss and still keep my German residency. But the job is in Visp and 3 hours drive to get to the German border. I cannot drive each day obviously. But this is the ONLY way I can convince the Germans that I can keep my residency in Germany.


Permit B means I reside in Swiss and no commuting between Germany and Swiss. I will lose my German residency if I reside OUTSIDE Germany more than 6 months.

In Dec. 2020 I can get a EU residency. Not sure if this is any better.



Questions:
Is it wise to get Permit B vs Permit G in my situation? I may not have a choice to go with Permit B anyways since the job location (Visp) is far to Basel German border and cannot commute often. But the question is for my long term plan. Although I do not intend to apply for the German citizenship and will keep my American citizenship but getting the Swiss residency Vs the German that I have is a question. I can apply for the Swiss permanent residency ONLY after 5 years (Permit C). What if I lose my job less than the 5 years come up?! These are points to consider and one must always think about the pros and cons.



I do not have a car and need to buy one. The law says if you do not own the car you buy more than 6 months and attempt to import it to Switzerland, you must pay tax on that. I assume this means I better buy the car in Switzerland?! I am talking about a good used car. Is it still not worth it to import it to Switzerland?


What model car do you recommend to buy in Switzerland. I just wish to have a reliable Auto to go from point A to B and low maintenance. I understood many recommend Toyota or VW. Any recommendation which model of Toyota (Yaris, Corolla, Camrey, RAV4 etc.? VW ( Golf?). what about Ford?

What site you recommend to look for?



Regarding Apartment: Any advise on which town(s) is the best close to Visp to live? Is living in the country side cheaper?



I appreciate your input and guidance in advance.
Robert

roegner 28.03.2020 15:29

Re: Moving to Switzerland due to a new job
 
Right now you won´t get any permit afaik. Permits for non EU are on hold.

For all other questions, have a look around the forum, all raised before and lots of information to be read up.

Never heard of EU residency, what is that?

Medea Fleecestealer 28.03.2020 15:33

Re: Moving to Switzerland due to a new job
 
This will not work because to get a G permit you not only have to have permanent residency in a neighbouring country, but to have lived in the border zone next to your Swiss workplace for at least 6 months. Germany would never qualify for that for Valais.

Also there's no guarantee that as a non-EU national (your German residency doesn't count) that you'll get a B permit. Non-EU nationals are under quota restrictions for permits and there are more L's available than B's.

westernfrontier 28.03.2020 15:46

Re: Moving to Switzerland due to a new job
 
Hello, and thank you for responding. The EU residency :
With the permanent EU residency permit, foreign nationals can move more freely within the European Union (EU). In many respects, it is comparable to the settlement permit and is a permanent residency title.
https://www.service-bw.de/en_US/web/...807-leistung-0

Getting the permit or not is in the hand of the HR so we shall see. Regarding Permit G, I could guess this would not work out if the job site is at a distance to the German border. Unless the contract is issued from Basel area. Once again, this is all in the hand of the company legal and the Canton they have to deal with. I just have to wait for their response.

roegner 28.03.2020 15:50

Re: Moving to Switzerland due to a new job
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by westernfrontier (Post 3164417)

Getting the permit or not is in the hand of the HR so we shall see. Regarding Permit G, I could guess this would not work out if the job site is at a distance to the German border. Unless the contract is issued from Basel area. Once again, this is all in the hand of the company legal and the Canton they have to deal with. I just have to wait for their response.

No, it is not really in the hands of HR. Right now non EU permits are not issued. HR will have to wait until they start processing these again.

Did they actually already had approval for your permit?

westernfrontier 28.03.2020 15:55

Re: Moving to Switzerland due to a new job
 
No, not yet. Is this due to the Corona Virus crises or other reasons?

k_and_e 28.03.2020 16:00

Re: Moving to Switzerland due to a new job
 
You could become a Wochenaufenthalter: stay in Visp during the week and in Germany in the weekend. You would then pay German taxes and have a double residence.

Commuting is just totally unrealistic. Especially in winter.

blackbird 28.03.2020 16:13

Re: Moving to Switzerland due to a new job
 
I am registered in Germany (i hold a german ID and passport) and got permit C.

So it is possible .

A permit B depends on you contract, if it is unlimited, there should be no problem to get this permit.

There are two cities in the area of visp, sion(further away) and brig (close to the mountains).
I would stay in visp, commuting in this area, especially in the winter , sucks.

westernfrontier 28.03.2020 16:13

Dear K ad e,

Exactly that is what I was advised by few Swiss and German colleagues.
I just have to wait for the conclusion of my interview which should be this coming week.

This site may be useful to read. The Swiss like many other EU countries are careful for not permitting people to travel due to the latest Covid-19 crises. Hence as I read until June 15th, 2020 they will not issue any new permits. Hope this crises will end with the magic touch of great scientists around the world!

https://www.fragomen.com/about/news/...vice-employers

@blackbird, great. But I am an American citizen and do have the Permanent German residency. I am allowed to live out of Germany not more than 6 months. The only way is Permit G. In this case I must have an apartment in Germany ( to be melde= registered) and also an apartment in Swiss where I work. Since it is not possible to drive 3 hours going and coming back to Germany on a regular basis, unless you work in Basel.
This Permit is also on hold until June 15th, 2020 or so.....

The main question for me was to know if it is worth it to lose the German residency if I will be given the Permit B option! (this is just a question of what are pros and cons of such decision...)

Medea Fleecestealer 28.03.2020 16:21

Re: Moving to Switzerland due to a new job
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by westernfrontier (Post 3164417)
Hello, and thank you for responding. The EU residency :
With the permanent EU residency permit, foreign nationals can move more freely within the European Union (EU). In many respects, it is comparable to the settlement permit and is a permanent residency title.
https://www.service-bw.de/en_US/web/...807-leistung-0

You are misinterpreting what this allows you to do. You can move freely around other parts of the EU as a tourist, i.e. without the need for any tourist visas that you'd require if you didn't have German residency. That's all it does. It will not allow you to move to another EU country without a job offer, same as in Switzerland.

You already have EU residency since you have permanent residency in Germany. You can visit, France, Switzerland, the Netherlands, etc, etc, as a tourist for up to 3 months without having to apply for a tourist visa. It has no bearing on getting residency in another EU country. For that you/employer must meet whatever conditions said EU country requires.

Quote:

Originally Posted by westernfrontier (Post 3164420)
No, not yet. Is this due to the Corona Virus crises or other reasons?

Virus. All permit applications are on hold for at least 3 months.

Medea Fleecestealer 28.03.2020 16:25

Re: Moving to Switzerland due to a new job
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by blackbird (Post 3164430)
I am registered in Germany (i hold a german ID and passport) and got permit C.

So it is possible .

A permit B depends on you contract, if it is unlimited, there should be no problem to get this permit.

Difference is you have German nationality, the OP doesn't - only permanent residency there.

I don't think the idea of staying in Visp and going back to Germany will work; this comes under the G permit regulations which the OP cannot meet.

Doctor Memory 28.03.2020 16:25

Re: Moving to Switzerland due to a new job
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by westernfrontier (Post 3164431)
Dear K ad e,

Exactly that is what I was advised by few Swiss and German colleagues.
I just have to wait for the conclusion of my interview which should be this coming week.

This site may be useful to read. The Swiss like many other EU countries are careful for not permitting people to travel due to the latest Covid-19 crises. Hence as I read until June 15th, 2020 they will not issue any new permits. Hope this crises will end with the magic touch of great scientists around the world!

https://www.fragomen.com/about/news/...vice-employers

Are you under the impression that Switzerland is in the EU? It's not. The vote in 1992 was a squeaker (defeated by only 0.6%) but definitive nonetheless.

westernfrontier 28.03.2020 16:30

Re: Moving to Switzerland due to a new job
 
Yes, EU residency does not mean i can work in any EU country because I am a German resident! That is 100% correct. I must obtain a job/work permit and certainly can work and live in another EU country beside Germany that I am living already.

Thank you


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