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Moving considerations

Hi everybody,

I have been browsing the forum for a few weeks now and it has been very useful, so thank you! I have tried to take as much moving advice from previous posts as possible, but I do have a few more questions that I would be really grateful for your input on (sorry if I have missed info on these).

I have been offered a job near Lucerne for ~80,000 CHF, which I feel is generous considering I am quite junior. During the probation period I will have a one week notice period. I don’t have an issue with this per se, but I am finding it extremely restrictive for furnished accommodation options, all of which seem to have long minimum rent terms and/or notice periods (≥ 3 months). I am not in a financial position where I can take on that risk. Has anybody encountered similar issues or have any advice on this please?

In addition, my fiancé would be looking to join me, initially temporarily and then permanently once I am settled. I am aware of the difficulties that she is likely to face in job hunting without proficient German skills. She is an EU citizen so entitled to stay and seek employment for 90-days per 180 days. It is my understanding that if we are still not married by the time/if I am granted a class B visa, that she would not be covered under it. Is she likely to have a residence permit approved without a job lined up?

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Welcome to the Forum. I think many people come and set up in an AirBnB type accommodation at first, although I'm not sure how well that's going in Corona times. Maybe someone else has other suggestions?
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Hi everybody,

I have been browsing the forum for a few weeks now and it has been very useful, so thank you! I have tried to take as much moving advice from previous posts as possible, but I do have a few more questions that I would be really grateful for your input on (sorry if I have missed info on these).

I have been offered a job near Lucerne for ~80,000 CHF, which I feel is generous considering I am quite junior. During the probation period I will have a one week notice period. I don’t have an issue with this per se, but I am finding it extremely restrictive for furnished accommodation options, all of which seem to have long minimum rent terms and/or notice periods (≥ 3 months). I am not in a financial position where I can take on that risk. Has anybody encountered similar issues or have any advice on this please?

In addition, my fiancé would be looking to join me, initially temporarily and then permanently once I am settled. I am aware of the difficulties that she is likely to face in job hunting without proficient German skills. She is an EU citizen so entitled to stay and seek employment for 90-days per 180 days. It is my understanding that if we are still not married by the time/if I am granted a class B visa, that she would not be covered under it. Is she likely to have a residence permit approved without a job lined up?

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Without a job there is no permit.
Without you marry her before you make the move to switzerland , she gets no permit, if there is no unlimited job for her.
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Without a job there is no permit.
Without you marry her before you make the move to switzerland , she gets no permit, if there is no unlimited job for her.
As an EU national she can be here for up to 3 months as a tourist to look for work. If she doesn't find a job in that period she can then ask for an L job seeker permit for another 3 months, providing she has sufficient funds to support herself while she looks.

And no, she would not be covered by your permit if you're not married. If she hasn't found a job in that 6 month period then she's expected to leave the country. What might be possible is what is called a concubine permit for unmarried hetrosexual couples. For that you would have to agree to be financially responsible for her for 5 years and not all cantons offer this type of permit. Alternatively, if you have a wedding date in mind then you might be able to get her a fiancée permit which would allow her to be here for a period of time before the wedding to help with organising it. After the wedding then she'd apply for a family reunification permit.

jimber, have you looked at serviced apartments?
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Has anybody encountered similar issues or have any advice on this please?
Yes.

In ended up finding a cheap 1-room apartment with 1-month notice, because I was scared everything could be over at any moment

In hindsight I should have taken a room in a shared apartment which was new and with nice people... I visited it and they liked me, but I was too afraid of the financial committment (entering the contract in place of the departing roommate).

Look for shared rooms, or people leaving for three months and looking for a temporary subtenant. Individual furnished apartments are expensive for newcomers.

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Is she likely to have a residence permit approved without a job lined up?
No, but it will extremely easy for her to visit you.

Once I settled and I started to see some money in the account, I looked for a better place. I found one (here on EF market) after 15 months. My girlfriend visited me until she got a job through our network of acquaintances, now she lives here with a full permit. We saw some dark moments, job hunts can last an indefinite time... in the end all went well but took a couple of years. Be patient, elephants can only be eaten one bite at the time!

Job agencies won't process candidates without a permit, meaning that one must register for a time-limited job-seeking permit and then search like crazy. The problem with that is that the permit duration is limited and monitored... wait a little, build some people network, then re-evaluate your options. Focus on you getting a foot in the door
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Re: Moving considerations

Hi, jimber. Congrats on the job offer!

There is something called a concubine permit (AWFUL name, but a real thing) that allows couples who are not married but who are co-habitating and are committed to each other to have the same rights as married folk. The terms and conditions vary by canton (I know a few people in Zurich canton with it), so have a search for that for your partner. A fiance would definitely qualify if it is a thing available in your canton. This would allow her to have your B permit right away.

There are jobs that do not require German skills, and there will be jobs that require basic German skills, but if she could start learning German right away, I think it'd be a big help. Even just signing up for the free Duolingo app and practicing 30 mins a day would make a difference!

As for apartments -- when we moved, we got a month to month furnished sublet to find a more permanent place. It was more expensive than we had hoped, but definitely worth it (and turned out super great during corona-times). We just budgeted to be more thrifty in other portions of our budget to be able to do the sublet. Be careful tho -- a lot of the airbnb postings we saw were actually unavailable despite what their calendar stated! RonOrp is a great website to look for temporary housing. For apartments, also keep in mind, that you can break the lease pretty much at any time here, as long as you find suitable replacements to move in for your landlord to consider. The demands and moving and stuff varied by locale, so I can't comment on how easy or difficult that will be, but it's an option that is not usually available in other countries.

Good luck with the move!
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Welcome to the Forum. I think many people come and set up in an AirBnB type accommodation at first, although I'm not sure how well that's going in Corona times. Maybe someone else has other suggestions?
Thank you, I have found some potential AirBnB's!



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As an EU national she can be here for up to 3 months as a tourist to look for work. If she doesn't find a job in that period she can then ask for an L job seeker permit for another 3 months, providing she has sufficient funds to support herself while she looks.

And no, she would not be covered by your permit if you're not married. If she hasn't found a job in that 6 month period then she's expected to leave the country. What might be possible is what is called a concubine permit for unmarried hetrosexual couples. For that you would have to agree to be financially responsible for her for 5 years and not all cantons offer this type of permit. Alternatively, if you have a wedding date in mind then you might be able to get her a fiancée permit which would allow her to be here for a period of time before the wedding to help with organising it. After the wedding then she'd apply for a family reunification permit.

jimber, have you looked at serviced apartments?
Thanks for providing some clarity to the rules! It seems like the concubine permit would be the most realistic option for us at present. Am I correct in thinking that this is determined by the canton that you live in rather than the canton you work in? Hopefully one of the commutable cantons will be ok

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Yes.

In ended up finding a cheap 1-room apartment with 1-month notice, because I was scared everything could be over at any moment

In hindsight I should have taken a room in a shared apartment which was new and with nice people... I visited it and they liked me, but I was too afraid of the financial committment (entering the contract in place of the departing roommate).

Look for shared rooms, or people leaving for three months and looking for a temporary subtenant. Individual furnished apartments are expensive for newcomers.


No, but it will extremely easy for her to visit you.

Once I settled and I started to see some money in the account, I looked for a better place. I found one (here on EF market) after 15 months. My girlfriend visited me until she got a job through our network of acquaintances, now she lives here with a full permit. We saw some dark moments, job hunts can last an indefinite time... in the end all went well but took a couple of years. Be patient, elephants can only be eaten one bite at the time!

Job agencies won't process candidates without a permit, meaning that one must register for a time-limited job-seeking permit and then search like crazy. The problem with that is that the permit duration is limited and monitored... wait a little, build some people network, then re-evaluate your options. Focus on you getting a foot in the door
Very useful advice and it's reassuring to know somebody that has successfuly gone through a similar situation (even if took a few years )! Yes, the financial commitment is really daunting for the apartment search and I never really encountered such issues before. I think the safest move is to go for a few months, sound out the job and establish some contacts before bringing my partner over to give her the best chance.

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Hi, jimber. Congrats on the job offer!

There is something called a concubine permit (AWFUL name, but a real thing) that allows couples who are not married but who are co-habitating and are committed to each other to have the same rights as married folk. The terms and conditions vary by canton (I know a few people in Zurich canton with it), so have a search for that for your partner. A fiance would definitely qualify if it is a thing available in your canton. This would allow her to have your B permit right away.

There are jobs that do not require German skills, and there will be jobs that require basic German skills, but if she could start learning German right away, I think it'd be a big help. Even just signing up for the free Duolingo app and practicing 30 mins a day would make a difference!

As for apartments -- when we moved, we got a month to month furnished sublet to find a more permanent place. It was more expensive than we had hoped, but definitely worth it (and turned out super great during corona-times). We just budgeted to be more thrifty in other portions of our budget to be able to do the sublet. Be careful tho -- a lot of the airbnb postings we saw were actually unavailable despite what their calendar stated! RonOrp is a great website to look for temporary housing. For apartments, also keep in mind, that you can break the lease pretty much at any time here, as long as you find suitable replacements to move in for your landlord to consider. The demands and moving and stuff varied by locale, so I can't comment on how easy or difficult that will be, but it's an option that is not usually available in other countries.

Good luck with the move!
Thanks so much. The concubine permits look like the way to go and I'd never even heard of them before. She is already on the ball with practicing on duo lingo so hopefully that will help with the search.

I will check RonOrp out as I'd never heard of it before. I have found a couple of options on AirBnB (just waiting for the work permit now) so hopefully one of their calendars is correct . I guess it will be much easier to search for a permanent place when i'm there anyway!
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Two things you need to check: whether the concubine permit is available in the canton you want to move to (not all offer it) and whether they also accept AirBnB bookings as temp accommodation (again, not all cantons do). And yes, it's where you live, not work, if they're different cantons.
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