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Thanks for the detailed response. My wife's employer is paying for shipping so we are thinking of bringing our bedroom furniture, some living area furniture, TV (voltage ok) and a few electronics (voltage ok). I was recommended to bring some furniture as its expensive in Switzerland. Is that not correct?
Of course up to you but you will quickly find a few downsides like :

--N. American stuff is all big compared to European equivalents. Most will not fit in the standard Swiss apartment.

-bed sizes are different, so you would have to bring mattress and all bed sheets, etc. If anything needs replacing you will be out of luck.

-styles are different. Putting rustic furniture in modern Swiss high-rise might not be aesthetically so nice.

-unless you have high budget for a rental and know you will get a large place that can accommodate your furniture you might end up paying more here to dispose of it if it doesn't work in the apartment you find. Best to find apt. First and see what you need and what could fit, rather than other way around.

In essence, unless it is very special furniture that you have real attachment to, it's probably not worth it, even with free shipping.
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Re: Moving soon to Cham/Baar/Root

It is simply not true, that you cannot go to university unless you go to gymnase. Gymnase is just the direct route.You can do an apprenticeship and then go to university, it will just take a year or two longer. The apprenticeship itself may not be accepted in your home country, but whatever you do after at applied or regular universities will finish with a BA or MA anyways.
Our son entered the Swiss system at 12, has done an apprenticeship and will enter a University of applied sciences in a year or two. In the meantime he is earning a really good salary at 20 years old and gaining real working experience. Our daughter entered at 10 and has chosen the gymnase route. It is a long and hard path. Gymnase here is not like high school back home, it is much harder. Sometimes we wish she had chosen an apprenticeship instead.
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Our son entered the Swiss system at 12, has done an apprenticeship and will enter a University of applied sciences in a year or two. In the meantime he is earning a really good salary at 20 years old and gaining real working experience. Our daughter entered at 10 and has chosen the gymnase route. It is a long and hard path. Gymnase here is not like high school back home, it is much harder. Sometimes we wish she had chosen an apprenticeship instead.
You're right, in my day in the UK they called these places Polytechnics which did more practical degree subjects. Does matter, no.

Does it matter locally ultimately if your degree is from EPFL in Lausanne or the University of applied sciences I have no idea.
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Does a "University of Applied Sciences" have the same prestige as a University?
I would certainly prefer to have a degree from a University.
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Re: Moving soon to Cham/Baar/Root

There are some degrees that can only be obtained at universities of applied sciences, like nursing or teaching, there is not always a choice. So it depends on the degree. Graduates of universities of applied sciences tend to have more practical experience, regular universities are more theory based. Depends what employers prefer, and what field you are in, whether prestige is important or not.
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12 is about the latest age to enter the Swiss system to give enough time for learning the language before entering apprenticeships/higher schooling. So if you are going this route, I would go cold turkey, not lengthen the transition with international school for a year. The kids will get language support/ intensive German courses wherever you go.
Thanks. I will have to talk to my wife and daughter about seeing if local is still ok.
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Of course up to you but you will quickly find a few downsides like :

--N. American stuff is all big compared to European equivalents. Most will not fit in the standard Swiss apartment.

-bed sizes are different, so you would have to bring mattress and all bed sheets, etc. If anything needs replacing you will be out of luck.

-styles are different. Putting rustic furniture in modern Swiss high-rise might not be aesthetically so nice.

-unless you have high budget for a rental and know you will get a large place that can accommodate your furniture you might end up paying more here to dispose of it if it doesn't work in the apartment you find. Best to find apt. First and see what you need and what could fit, rather than other way around.

In essence, unless it is very special furniture that you have real attachment to, it's probably not worth it, even with free shipping.
Thanks for putting that into a good comparison. Maybe I get to see the apartment being offered through the company virtually before planning for the move
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Thanks for putting that into a good comparison. Maybe I get to see the apartment being offered through the company virtually before planning for the move
Been a few years since I was re-located, but in my day the company hired a relocation agent, who would ask you what your looking for then find places that matched your requirements.

So, you might ask accepts animals, fenced garden, close a park, close to a station, in the city centre, in the suburbs, close to a school, close to the office, close to shops, rent less then X, minimum three bedrooms, modern build, place with character, climate friendly heating, power. Pool etc etc
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Re: Moving soon to Cham/Baar/Root

We also moved from Florida last year, but we've had many international moves (US-->France; France-->CH; CH-->Dubai RT; US-->Portugal, etc...).

This time we got rid of all our really large furniture after looking at our new floor plan. We kept the things we really loved and gave the rest away. We bought transformers before leaving the US (cheap!) so we could run printers, TVs, collectible stereos, etc. It's not expensive, and replacing the plugs is easy. If someone else is paying the shipping, I'd err on the side of "bring it." The few things we had to get rid of in our Dubai-->CH move were sold to friends.

One word about the shipping: the worldwide shipping situation right now is chaotic. There are not enough containers, not enough ships, not enough people to unload the containers, not enough truckers. Since we moved, prices have skyrocketed and timelines have completely fallen apart. One of our cars took *9 months* to get from FL to Rotterdam after sitting in the blazing sun in Savannah, where some bright bulb lowered the rear windows to let the summer rain in. You can imagine...

Get lots of insurance! LOTS. And make your own lists; don't rely on the movers to correctly list your stuff. And make sure they will unpack and take away all the tons of crates, bolstering, and wrapping materials--they can be incredibly difficult and expensive to get rid of in CH, especially the miles of wrapping plastic.

One thing no one has mentioned is OTC meds. Get lots of them; go to Wally World and go crazy. Aspirin, Tums, cough syrup, eye drops, tummy meds are all ridiculously expensive in Europe and must be bought at the Apoteke...you can't just walk into a supermarket and get them.

Oh, and brown sugar. lol. (It's an in joke on EF.)
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Been a few years since I was re-located, but in my day the company hired a relocation agent, who would ask you what your looking for then find places that matched your requirements.

So, you might ask accepts animals, fenced garden, close a park, close to a station, in the city centre, in the suburbs, close to a school, close to the office, close to shops, rent less then X, minimum three bedrooms, modern build, place with character, climate friendly heating, power. Pool etc etc
Thanks. We have a relocation company/agent working with us to help us with the move and we are scheduled to go check for places to rent next week.
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We also moved from Florida last year, but we've had many international moves (US-->France; France-->CH; CH-->Dubai RT; US-->Portugal, etc...).

This time we got rid of all our really large furniture after looking at our new floor plan. We kept the things we really loved and gave the rest away. We bought transformers before leaving the US (cheap!) so we could run printers, TVs, collectible stereos, etc. It's not expensive, and replacing the plugs is easy. If someone else is paying the shipping, I'd err on the side of "bring it." The few things we had to get rid of in our Dubai-->CH move were sold to friends.

One word about the shipping: the worldwide shipping situation right now is chaotic. There are not enough containers, not enough ships, not enough people to unload the containers, not enough truckers. Since we moved, prices have skyrocketed and timelines have completely fallen apart. One of our cars took *9 months* to get from FL to Rotterdam after sitting in the blazing sun in Savannah, where some bright bulb lowered the rear windows to let the summer rain in. You can imagine...

Get lots of insurance! LOTS. And make your own lists; don't rely on the movers to correctly list your stuff. And make sure they will unpack and take away all the tons of crates, bolstering, and wrapping materials--they can be incredibly difficult and expensive to get rid of in CH, especially the miles of wrapping plastic.

One thing no one has mentioned is OTC meds. Get lots of them; go to Wally World and go crazy. Aspirin, Tums, cough syrup, eye drops, tummy meds are all ridiculously expensive in Europe and must be bought at the Apoteke...you can't just walk into a supermarket and get them.

Oh, and brown sugar. lol. (It's an in joke on EF.)
Thanks for your detailed information. I took these guidelines and worked through the shipping, air-cargo and OTC's. I sold my cars and loaded my old bicyles in the cargo. My good will purchased bicycles will get to explore Switzerland
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