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Moving soon to Cham/Baar/Root

Greetings All,

I will be moving to Swiss around July/August depending on the visa situation. The initial plan is to be there for 3 years and see how it goes. We (as a family) are moving from Florida and I am still trying to figure out what to bring and what not to bring. I am excited for the move as I call it my temporary long term vacation as the move is for my wife's job and I may not be able to keep my current job.

My wife's work is in the Root D4 business district and for school we are looking at the International school in Baar. Housing seems interesting and a bit challenging as it involves downsizing and trying to fit in with the public transportation.

Overall excited and looking forward new lifestyle
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Re: Moving soon to Cham/Baar/Root

public transport is great

what not to bring, my first thought is noting electronic needed 110V
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Re: Moving soon to Cham/Baar/Root

Congrats on the upcoming move.

Just a word of caution. Part of the income tax here vary by kanton (just like it is at the state level in the US). Cham/Baar are part of kanton Zug, which has very low income tax. Root is part of Luzern and has higher income taxes. Something to consider when looking for housing.
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what not to bring, my first thought is noting electronic needed 110V
Thanks for the recommendation
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Congrats on the upcoming move.

Just a word of caution. Part of the income tax here vary by kanton (just like it is at the state level in the US). Cham/Baar are part of kanton Zug, which has very low income tax. Root is part of Luzern and has higher income taxes. Something to consider when looking for housing.
Thanks for the recommendation regarding taxes.
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Re: Moving soon to Cham/Baar/Root

I'd say dump everything in the way of appliances, furniture, etc, and just bring clothing, personal effects, etc, since you'll have voltage problems, size problems, etc for the former.

Also on the tax side note that you'll still be obliged to file US tax returns if you/your wife is a US citizen or you/she hold a Green card unless the card is given up when you leave the States. You may also find your choice of Swiss bank limited due to this since most won't have anything to do with Americans/Green card holders due to the US's FATCA law.

A kid or kids, what age/s? International schools are expensive; if under 10 then look at local school instead since children pick up languages very quickly.
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Just a word of caution. Part of the income tax here vary by kanton (just like it is at the state level in the US). Cham/Baar are part of kanton Zug, which has very low income tax. Root is part of Luzern and has higher income taxes. Something to consider when looking for housing.

It shouldn't make any difference for those coming from the US, as any difference will be made up in US tax liabilities.
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Re: Moving soon to Cham/Baar/Root

Lived in the canton of Zug for a few years, here is my 2 cents on the place.

Zug has a beautiful lake = a fog/mist comes off it in the fall/spring and hangs around all day... be-warned. Baar is 5 minutes up the road from Zug and I suspect doesn't do much better.

If I did it again I would look to move here...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unterägeri

Indeed I spend many an afternoon in the park in this place with my young daughter, a place about 15 minutes up the road from Neuheim/Baar. It is beautiful village, with a small collection of shops... and a small lake too.

As to what to bring. The first thing that will hit you is the cost of everything, I mean everything, that and the choice [or rather lack of]. I would focus on things for kids. Make sure you go out in the US and get them new clothing & shoes, stuff that will fit them now and over the next 12 months/whenever you plan to return to the US next.

Sounds silly, but you might want to ask/consider your favourite foods too. Some of course you won't be able to bring over. Ask if you can get it here. A good question for EFs.

Someone mentioned electronic items you need not bring, but obviously that doesn't include iPads, iPhones and laptops or even desktops. Still on electronics don't plan to use plug adaptors, they intended us is short term for vacations, often don't have a snug fit & the plugs are dangerous to have around with young kids, I speak from experience.

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Despite the fog Zug is a great place to live and within easy distance of Zurich and the airport.
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I'd say dump everything in the way of appliances, furniture, etc, and just bring clothing, personal effects, etc, since you'll have voltage problems, size problems, etc for the former.

Also on the tax side note that you'll still be obliged to file US tax returns if you/your wife is a US citizen or you/she hold a Green card unless the card is given up when you leave the States. You may also find your choice of Swiss bank limited due to this since most won't have anything to do with Americans/Green card holders due to the US's FATCA law.

A kid or kids, what age/s? International schools are expensive; if under 10 then look at local school instead since children pick up languages very quickly.
Thanks for the detailed response. My wife's employer is paying for shipping so we are thinking of bringing our bedroom furniture, some living area furniture, TV (voltage ok) and a few electronics (voltage ok). I was recommended to bring some furniture as its expensive in Switzerland. Is that not correct?

The school expenses are covered by the employer and that is the reason for choosing the international school.
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The school expenses are covered by the employer and that is the reason for choosing the international school.
I would choose the school based on the age of the kids and the length of your stay. If the plan is stay here 2 years, international is the route. If you might stay longer as in the job is open ended than the local school might be a better solution assuming your kids are young enough.
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Lived in the canton of Zug for a few years, here is my 2 cents on the place.

Zug has a beautiful lake = a fog/mist comes off it in the fall/spring and hangs around all day... be-warned. Baar is 5 minutes up the road from Zug and I suspect doesn't do much better.

If I did it again I would look to move here...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unterägeri

Indeed I spend many an afternoon in the park in this place with my young daughter, a place about 15 minutes up the road from Neuheim/Baar. It is beautiful village, with a small collection of shops... and a small lake too.

As to what to bring. The first thing that will hit you is the cost of everything, I mean everything, that and the choice [or rather lack of]. I would focus on things for kids. Make sure you go out in the US and get them new clothing & shoes, stuff that will fit them now and over the next 12 months/whenever you plan to return to the US next.

Sounds silly, but you might want to ask/consider your favourite foods too. Some of course you won't be able to bring over. Ask if you can get it here. A good question for EFs.

Someone mentioned electronic items you need not bring, but obviously that doesn't include iPads, iPhones and laptops or even desktops. Still on electronics don't plan to use plug adaptors, they intended us is short term for vacations, often don't have a snug fit & the plugs are dangerous to have around with young kids, I speak from experience.
Thanks for the recommendation. Unterägeri - I will explore this place and it looks quiet interesting.
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I would choose the school based on the age of the kids and the length of your stay. If the plan is stay here 2 years, international is the route. If you might stay longer as in the job is open ended than the local school might be a better solution assuming your kids are young enough.
We are thinking 3 years but not sure untill we see how year 1 goes. My plan is to switch to local school after a year to push for transition otherwise it will never happen. International school will be a bridge for year 1.
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We are thinking 3 years but not sure untill we see how year 1 goes. My plan is to switch to local school after a year to push for transition otherwise it will never happen. International school will be a bridge for year 1.
I didn't plan at all, wasn't married and obviously didn't have kids. Twenty+ years later I am still here. Got Married, had kids, one of whom has become Swiss as will the second will do in time. Both are still in the local school system which is very good for the most part, indeed I am told by my US friends the standards in Swiss are far higher than the US.
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We are thinking 3 years but not sure untill we see how year 1 goes. My plan is to switch to local school after a year to push for transition otherwise it will never happen. International school will be a bridge for year 1.
If you plan for them to switch to a local school look also at bilingual schools. That way they will have more exposure to German.
Also the way the school system is set out in Switzerland (streaming), it becomes much harder for the children to start/suceed in a Swiss local school the older there are. Age is therefore important. How old are your children?
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If you plan for them to switch to a local school look also at bilingual schools. That way they will have more exposure to German.
Also the way the school system is set out in Switzerland (streaming), it becomes much harder for the children to start/suceed in a Swiss local school the older there are. Age is therefore important. How old are your children?
Thanks for the recommendation. I would like to give my family a more push to get into the local system including school for my 12 year old.
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12 is about the latest age to enter the Swiss system to give enough time for learning the language before entering apprenticeships/higher schooling. So if you are going this route, I would go cold turkey, not lengthen the transition with international school for a year. The kids will get language support/ intensive German courses wherever you go.
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I don't want to de-rail this thread too much but 10 is the latest in my book to fairly enter the Swiss schooling system. They grade you at 11. And that assuming you go back a year.

Others on EF may know what they do with 12 yo? Which stream would he would enter? In the French part you have VP, VG1 and VG2. You automatically qualify for Gymnase [collage] in VP and automatically disqualified in VG2, VG1 I think there is still a chance, but you need to do an additional year I think. What wrong with that... well if you do not go to Gymnase you cannot go to University.

The thing about VG2 and VG1 is that the students within those groups know they're considered "terminal" by the education system, and a fair number don't bother, fool around in class. Sure its the group that do apprenticeships, which are very well managed in Switzerland, but unsure if such qualification are recognised elsewhere and VG2 kids also struggle to get on those too. You don't want your son to end up in VG2.

Note too that you graded every year between 11 and 15, so three times, to enter the 1st year, the 2nd year and the 3rd year of the VP, VG streams.

At 12 I would put him directly into private school assuming the company is paying for it, cause it is expensive.
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Yes, I think you have to choose one system or the other. Changing from an international school to a local one would be very tough on the kids.
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Fully agree, excellent post.

If your child is expected to go to university, 12 is pushing it. He will automatically be held back a year, possibly 2, due to the language. Sometimes it's not so easy being a 15 year old among 12-13 year olds from social aspect. If determined or gifted in languages, will make it, otherwise be prepared to follow a non-university route where mandatory schooling ends at 16.

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I don't want to de-rail this thread too much but 10 is the latest in my book to fairly enter the Swiss schooling system. They grade you at 11. And that assuming you go back a year.

Others on EF may know what they do with 12 yo? Which stream would he would enter? In the French part you have VP, VG1 and VG2. You automatically qualify for Gymnase [collage] in VP and automatically disqualified in VG2, VG1 I think there is still a chance, but you need to do an additional year I think. What wrong with that... well if you do not go to Gymnase you cannot go to University.

The thing about VG2 and VG1 is that the students within those groups know they're considered "terminal" by the education system, and a fair number don't bother, fool around in class. Sure its the group that do apprenticeships, which are very well managed in Switzerland, but unsure if such qualification are recognised elsewhere and VG2 kids also struggle to get on those too. You don't want your son to end up in VG2.

Note too that you graded every year between 11 and 15, so three times, to enter the 1st year, the 2nd year and the 3rd year of the VP, VG streams.

At 12 I would put him directly into private school assuming the company is paying for it, cause it is expensive.
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