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Old 21.04.2018, 21:14
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FS Zurich: Renault Laguna III 2.0T (2008)

I'm thinking about letting go of the car as it mostly just stands around.
Also I'm a bit afraid that after its 10yrs/150k mark has passed, I can only sell this car for scraps on the Swiss market.

I'd be delighted to get pricing info from the pro EFers.

It ticks all the Swiss boxes of automatic-navi-xenon-leather with the highest trim. Too bad it's not an Audi

Renault Laguna Initiale 2.0T Berline (hatchback)
- first registration November 2008, I'm the second owner since 2013
- inline-4 turbo petrol engine, 170 HP
- 141.500km on the clock
- dark blue metallic paint (looks black in overcast)
- Automatic 6 speed gearbox
- Bi-Xenon adaptive bending headlights
- summer tyres on alloys, winter on steel rims with discs. Both sets are still OK (around 6mm tread remaining).
- Last service and MfK 08.2016 (both are due) @130.000 km

Initiale trim means full extra
- DVD Navigation (maps: 2014) with Bluetooth
- Leather seats with full beige interior
- liftup-and-slide panorama roof (up to the rear seats)
- power everything (windows, mirrors, front seats)
- 6 CD changer (yeah CD's still exist )
- automatic wiper, auto-darkening mirrors
- tempomat and all the small things
- no Bose audio

Always kept in garage (at home as well as at the company), not a work-commuter car, we used it mostly for day trips and visiting my home country, so I'd say 80% of the distance on the clock was done on highways.

Servicebook is well kept, services done through Renault garages (however not all of them were Swiss), oil changes are done every 10-15k km's since I have the car.

Paint is OK with 3 small imperfections, the A/C is slowly fading so it needs a yearly refill. I didn't have any problems with the car over the last 70k km's since we have it and I'm having every cent in an app.

Pricing info welcome. I have around 7.000 CHF in mind, but it might be too optimistic - as sellers always are
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Old 21.04.2018, 21:32
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Re: FS Zurich: Renault Laguna III 2.0T (2008)

I think you are being a tad optimistic, its always good to look at the market and see what similar cars are going for.
For example This car is a similar spec to yours (albeit estate) but 4 years newer and its going for CHF 6190. You've got some nice options and it looks tidy but the fundamentals are year and mileage because that's what people home in on.
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I think you are being a tad optimistic, its always good to look at the market and see what similar cars are going for.
For example This car is a similar spec to yours (albeit estate) but 4 years newer and its going for CHF 6190. You've got some nice options and it looks tidy but the fundamentals are year and mileage because that's what people home in on.
Cheers Castro.

Year and mileage aside, general state and the trim list do make a difference I think.

Mine's a rare color combo as I'm looking for beige and panorama roof, which is about 5-10% of the Swiss car market (the combo is probably around 3% if checked together). The Swiss seem to like black-on-black.

He doesn't have xenon, alloys (or 8 wheels), and the panorama roof (it's a major difference in ambiance), and it's an ageing diesel with apparently more risk into high mileage (and soon not going to Germany much). But yeah, it has the Bose stuff and is 4 years younger.

Expectations bumped down to around 6000 CHF then(?). Does that mean that car dealers will quote me around 4000 CHF?
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Old 22.04.2018, 08:01
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Re: FS Zurich: Renault Laguna III 2.0T (2008)

In my experience car dealers offer half what you think car dealers should offer...
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Old 22.04.2018, 08:48
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Re: FS Zurich: Renault Laguna III 2.0T (2008)

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In my experience car dealers offer half what you think car dealers should offer...
They also have to deal with VAT double time. Something which private parties are not hit by.

Nice car by the way. Does it leak or burn anything?
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Re: FS Zurich: Renault Laguna III 2.0T (2008)

why not advertise it on Ricardo with a 1 CHF starting price and see where it goes?

keep in mind that the car has no fresh MFK, is 10 years old and service is due. Also, the Laguna doesn't exactly have a good reputation. this means that your car is a risk when looking at the data only, no matter how good yours is.
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Old 22.04.2018, 10:04
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why not advertise it on Ricardo with a 1 CHF starting price and see where it goes?
I don't dare to see it stop at 2500 CHF in the end.

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keep in mind that the car has no fresh MFK, is 10 years old and service is due. Also, the Laguna doesn't exactly have a good reputation. this means that your car is a risk when looking at the data only, no matter how good yours is.
Mfk, service and detailing will be done fresh, of course. I think that's the Swiss way of selling vehicles. The Laguna I and II were crap, the Laguna III has in fact no reliability issues, it just enjoys low prices on behalf of bad rep from previous generations.
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Nice car by the way. Does it leak or burn anything?
Thanks.

Leaking: the A/C seems to leak a bit somewhere as I need a yearly refill. So far I'd rather have it refilled than taken apart.

Burning: petrol
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Old 22.04.2018, 10:19
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Re: FS Zurich: Renault Laguna III 2.0T (2008)

If you can't get enough for it maybe donate it and take it off your taxes.
Maybe your local church minister or doctors without cars can use it.
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If you can't get enough for it maybe donate it and take it off your taxes.
What is the value if I take it off my taxes?

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in Zürich?
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Mine's a rare color combo as I'm looking for beige and panorama roof, which is about 5-10% of the Swiss car market (the combo is probably around 3% if checked together). The Swiss seem to like black-on-black.
Unfortunately, the colour of your car works against you, in addition to its age, mileage and Renaultness. As you pointed out, the Swiss have a thing for black cars, so you'll find your unusual colour combo hard to sell.

As for all the options, as Castro hinted, they count for virtually nothing in a second-hand sale. Maybe as a tie-breaker if there's nothing else to separate two vehicles on a potential purchaser's list.

Bear in mind, too, that the asking price on autoscout24.ch and elsewhere is rarely paid. I reckon you'll get around CHF 4k for your car.
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What is the value if I take it off my taxes?
Nothing, it was more of a joke. You'd save wealth tax on CHF 4k (if the cash you receive for the car "disappears"), so we're talking about a trivial sum.
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What is the value if I take it off my taxes?



in Zürich?
Assume the market value!

Otherwise you might want to lease it out:

https://www.thelocal.ch/20150710/swi...gramme-expands
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Unfortunately, the colour of your car works against you, in addition to its age, mileage and Renaultness. As you pointed out, the Swiss have a thing for black cars, so you'll find your unusual colour combo hard to sell.
well, not everyone is Swiss around here, so while understanding the mainstream, it's also fierce competition in that black-on-black segment.
I'm for a light interior and I'd also be looking for the same setup (panorama roof and beige-automatic-navi-xenon) in my next car. Hope I'm not completely alone with this itch, which also means the like minded people will have very few cars to choose from.

If I do a search for beige interior, it's only 3 out of 184 cars on autoscout in my current filter.

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As for all the options, as Castro hinted, they count for virtually nothing in a second-hand sale. Maybe as a tie-breaker if there's nothing else to separate two vehicles on a potential purchaser's list.
I believe there is indeed difference in options. Have you ever seen a basic-trim Skoda compared to the VRS models? Price difference is about 80-100% (at virtually any age).

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yeah, fair enough. adjusting reality (ouch).
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yeah, fair enough. adjusting reality (ouch).
I feel for you, believe me. I've sold two cars in the past couple of years and am thinking about selling another two, but I don't fancy dropping that much cash on what's essentially just a whim. Bottom line, here in Switzerland I wouldn't sell a car unless there was a really compelling reason to do so—i.e. I think I'll just keep driving these cars. Maybe I'll end up like a friend of mine, who has never sold a car in the ten years I've known him, but has acquired probably ten cars in that time...
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I'd like to get his budget he drops on renting garage for all those cars.

So in depreciation I'm not really getting any lower from here, so it just might be worth keeping the car after all... then selling it for "sweihundert für export" in another 5 years
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So in depreciation I'm not really getting any lower from here, so it just might be worth keeping the car after all... then selling it for "sweihundert für export" in another 5 years
Depends how much work is needed to pass the next MFK. At that mileage expect bushes/silent blocks/rotor disks to be changed for MFK and you will be easily 2k out of pocket

So, either sell it now for 2500 as is, cash in 2500 or

Invest 2000-25000 in servicing/insurance/parking in 2 years and sell it for 500
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Re: FS Zurich: Renault Laguna III 2.0T (2008)

If your planning to get a new car then your best bet might be a trade in.
I got 9K for my 8 year old bottom line Legacy that way.
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Depends how much work is needed to pass the next MFK. At that mileage expect bushes/silent blocks/rotor disks to be changed for MFK and you will be easily 2k out of pocket
not really expecting these the car passed without a hiss 2 years and 12k km's ago. It will pass again no problem.
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If your planning to get a new car then your best bet might be a trade in.
I got 9K for my 8 year old bottom line Legacy that way.
I've heard similar - what's the regular trade-in uplift compared to selling it?
I'd look again among vehicles being max 5yrs old, similar trim and engine, max 15k CHF. Can I expect a 6-7k trade-in vs a 4k sale?

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