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yoyocuter 22.10.2020 07:18

English help on master thesis
 
Dear all,

I am writing my master thesis in English at the university in Switzerland. I need some help on the grammar. Could someone help and proofread? Ideally in about two week. I am located in Bern and would love to invite you for some good Chinese food.

Best
Yoyo

BLP 22.10.2020 11:05

Re: English help on master thesis
 
happy to help but you need to pay someone vs just free food

Chuff 22.10.2020 11:28

Re: English help on master thesis
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by yoyocuter (Post 3229679)
Dear all,

I am writing my master thesis in English at the university in Switzerland. I need some help on the grammar. Could someone help and proofread? Ideally in about two week. I am located in Bern and would love to invite you for some good Chinese food.

Best
Yoyo

Proofreading a thesis and correcting someone's grammar also inevitably involves re-writing and re-structuring things, especially if the persons level of English is not very good to start with. You are asking random strangers to spend literally hours of their time, for free, to help you write a thesis that you should be doing by yourself.

Not only is it an unreasonable request, but you didn't even say 'please' once in your post.

Kittster 22.10.2020 14:53

Re: English help on master thesis
 
I appreciate that you don't have much money as a student. This is where building a network of friends and offering help to them too is essential. As much as I like to do things to help people, you are not only giving an extremely short turnaround time to read an entire thesis properly, you want it for essentially nothing.

Proof-reading an academic paper involves understanding the formal rules applicable in your case as well as noticing where you may have forgotten to cite properly etc. We are talking about several days' work - that's what it took my mam to correct my thesis and I am a native level English speaker.

Guest 22.10.2020 15:01

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Originally Posted by Chuff (Post 3229768)
You are asking random strangers to spend literally hours of their time, for free, to help you write a thesis that you should be doing by yourself.

I must admit, my first thought when seeing this was "Isn't that cheating"?

I mean, I don't know exactly what a Masters in English entails, but I would have expected that it would at the very least require demonstration of a good command of English grammar.

Chuff 22.10.2020 15:15

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Quote:

I must admit, my first thought when seeing this was "Isn't that cheating"?

I mean, I don't know exactly what a Masters in English entails, but I would have expected that it would at the very least require demonstration of a good command of English grammar.
I think it's only regarded as cheating if it is proofreading the content and not just the spelling and grammar. However, in my experience of proofreading for people it is almost impossible to proofread something as long as a dissertation without fundamentally changing and restructuring things, especially for whom English is a second language. It's a hell of a lot of work, and for something like a dissertation often requires dedicated subject knowledge to know how to even re-structure the sentences.

Anyway whatever, if someone really has nothing better to do and wants to do it for them for free then fine... *shrugs*

MusicChick 22.10.2020 15:15

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Well, maybe the thesis contains amazing top secret research results!

Then, maybe just maybe it's only proofreading the English abstract?

Or it's a team effort and the thesis is super short?

Ok, yeah - it was me who moved it to "Job offered", it needs to be here.

Maybe somebody will help out a student in need.

Pancakes 22.10.2020 15:30

Re: English help on master thesis
 
Quote:

I must admit, my first thought when seeing this was "Isn't that cheating"?

I mean, I don't know exactly what a Masters in English entails, but I would have expected that it would at the very least require demonstration of a good command of English grammar.
I took it more that the OP has written their Masters thesis in English -- not that it involves a Masters in English. There are a lot of grad programs here in CH where the main language is English. A friend of mine is a professor of Astrophysics at Zurich Uni and all his classes are taught in English (he doesn't speak German). He also has to oversee their theses and dissertations, etc.

Pancakes 22.10.2020 15:31

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Yoyo,

Do you have permission to have your thesis edited prior to being submitted?

Also, what is the title of your thesis, if you don't mind sharing? That may help someone know if they're interested in reading (and editing) it.

Kittster 22.10.2020 17:11

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Originally Posted by Pancakes (Post 3229938)
I took it more that the OP has written their Masters thesis in English -- not that it involves a Masters in English. There are a lot of grad programs here in CH where the main language is English. A friend of mine is a professor of Astrophysics at Zurich Uni and all his classes are taught in English (he doesn't speak German). He also has to oversee their theses and dissertations, etc.

I wrote mine in English to avoid the dreaded gender neutral language shambles that you have in German and so my mam could proof-read it. Nobody else in their right mind would have put up with my ADD disaster zone thesis writing... ;)

Chuff 22.10.2020 17:50

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Originally Posted by Pancakes (Post 3229940)
Also, what is the title of your thesis, if you don't mind sharing? That may help someone know if they're interested in reading (and editing) it.

Yeah and posting the title will also give it away to any of the software tools that checks for cheating... or simply a professor doing a google. :p

MusicChick 22.10.2020 17:57

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It is not that the prof is gonna see the thesis for the 1st time. He'll know what is written by OP and what got proofread for typos.

The prof might have asked the OP to get it proofread by a 3rd party, maybe they aren't allowed to pay a professional service to proofread but ask a friend, informally.

What do we know..

Landers 22.10.2020 18:07

Re: English help on master thesis
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by yoyocuter (Post 3229679)
Dear all,

I am writing my master thesis in English at the university in Switzerland. I need some help on the grammar. Could someone help and proofread? Ideally in about two week. I am located in Bern and would love to invite you for some good Chinese food.

Best
Yoyo


There's proofreading then there's proofreading. Something can be grammatically correct without necessarily being the way it should/would be written. It can be a can of worms. If it were just a couple of pages I'd look at it for you.



I am writing my master's thesis in English at the university in Switzerland. I need some help on the grammar. Could someone help and proofread? Ideally in about two weeks.



? I am writing my master's thesis at the university in Switzerland in English and I ...


? "at university in Switzerland"

? "at a university in Switzerland"
? "at the University of X in Switzerland"
? "at the University of Switzerland"
? "two weeks time."



Best? Nest what? No-one should sign off with "Best", in my opinion. :msnnerd:

MusicChick 22.10.2020 18:14

Re: English help on master thesis
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Landers (Post 3230052)
There's proofreading then there's proofreading. Something can be grammatically correct without necessarily being the way it should/would be written. It can be a can of worms. If it were just a couple of pages I'd look at it for you.



I am writing my master's thesis in English at the university in Switzerland. I need some help on the grammar. Could someone help and proofread? Ideally in about two weeks.



? I am writing my master's thesis at the university in Switzerland in English and I ...


? "at university in Switzerland"

? "at a university in Switzerland"
? "at the University of X in Switzerland"
? "at the University of Switzerland"
? "two weeks time."



Best? Nest what? No-one should sign off with "Best", in my opinion. :msnnerd:

But I really like the

Best
Yoyo

:D

k_and_e 22.10.2020 18:24

Re: English help on master thesis
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by yoyocuter (Post 3229679)
Dear all,

I am writing my master thesis in English at the university in Switzerland. I need some help on the grammar. Could someone help and proofread? Ideally in about two week. I am located in Bern and would love to invite you for some good Chinese food.

Best
Yoyo

Alternatively, you can use a tool like Grammarly. That's probably a bit more efficient than having someone to proofread a thesis.

swisspea 22.10.2020 18:27

Re: English help on master thesis
 
last time I read a masters thesis for someone it was business/marketing, and we did two rounds of editing and feedback. About 5000 words and I charged the student a very minimal 300chf.


If it's arts, humanities, economics, community development, marketing or business, I can read it for you. Send me a PM.

yoyocuter 23.10.2020 09:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by k_and_e (Post 3230058)
Alternatively, you can use a tool like Grammarly. That's probably a bit more efficient than having someone to proofread a thesis.

Thanks for the advice. I will try that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Landers (Post 3230052)
There's proofreading then there's proofreading. Something can be grammatically correct without necessarily being the way it should/would be written. It can be a can of worms. If it were just a couple of pages I'd look at it for you.



I am writing my master's thesis in English at the university in Switzerland. I need some help on the grammar. Could someone help and proofread? Ideally in about two weeks.



? I am writing my master's thesis at the university in Switzerland in English and I ...


? "at university in Switzerland"

? "at a university in Switzerland"
? "at the University of X in Switzerland"
? "at the University of Switzerland"
? "two weeks time."



Best? Nest what? No-one should sign off with "Best", in my opinion. :msnnerd:

Thanks for taking time correcting my grammar and offering your opinion. I appreciate your opinion. however I have seen plenty "best" going around not just from me.

roegner 23.10.2020 09:29

Re: English help on master thesis
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by yoyocuter (Post 3230261)
Thanks for taking time correcting my grammar and offering your opinion. I appreciate your opinion. however I have seen plenty "best" going around not just from me.


What goes around is not always correct :-)

yoyocuter 23.10.2020 09:37

Re: English help on master thesis
 
Thanks you for your immediate replies which I was for sure not expecting. I was instructed by the tutor to get my thesis proofread so I hope this doesn't count as cheating. It should be purely grammar proofreading. My thesis topic is about Breastfeeding and Child Morbidity. I would really appreciate it if someone can help out.

Pancakes 23.10.2020 09:39

Re: English help on master thesis
 
This thread is a good example of how when someone relatively new posts a thread here, they are often needlessly attacked and criticized.

Yoyo... Good luck with your thesis. x


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