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I understand it simply as clarification (ok, sometimes correction)... better to ask again than trying to serve three coffees in the end. Zwei and drei does sound a bit similar and can be confused if you have other background noise. If in doubt, adopt military speak and order "zwo kafi"
Well, zwei and drei might sound similar in high german, for sure not in the swiss dialect, especially drei ... mystically pronounced "drü"
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Call me strange, but isn't it logical??
Zweimal Kaffee??
Where's the problem??

And why are we discussing this in a thread......???
Is this how you know you're finally Swiss?

Thinking about it, it's quite logical to order a single of something twice. Just strange that I've never seen this in any educational/reference material before.
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Old 06.01.2011, 13:00
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Well, zwei and drei might sound similar in high german, for sure not in the swiss dialect, especially drei ... mystically pronounced "drü"
For sure, that's a good point.
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Old 06.01.2011, 13:13
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Is this how you know you're finally Swiss?

Thinking about it, it's quite logical to order a single of something twice. Just strange that I've never seen this in any educational/reference material before.
Maybe because it is colloquial in usage?
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Old 06.01.2011, 13:27
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Maybe because it is colloquial in usage?
I'm not sure, that's why I asked people who may know better. Regardless, it is suprising for a German language student to hear this in such widespread usage.
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Well, zwei and drei might sound similar in high german, for sure not in the swiss dialect, especially drei ... mystically pronounced "drü"
Einmal, zweimal, dreimal now written einmal, zwei Mal, drei Mal is just German, nothing especially Swiss.

Until the Renaissance time, zwei and drei used to have different forms for the three genders. Still have in Appenzell, I think. One had zwî - zwô - zwei and drî - driu/drü - drei. I don't remember the exact order (zwo used to be feminin, I recall). One still have Zwiegespräch as a relict of it. Radio language kept also zwo, but just for phonetical reasons and regardless of gender, one is expected to use in on the phone, for example.

High German kept zwei and drei, in Dutch, they kept twee (same as zwei) but drie (from drî), and skandinavians kept to (same as zwo) and tre (same as drei). English kept two (same as zwo) and three (same as drei). In Switzerland, there is a wide variety of those forms, they all have survived somewhere in the country, so one hear them more or less all, depending where you are in the country and from whom you hear it.
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Old 06.01.2011, 14:21
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Re: Zweimal Kaffee?

Awesome post, thanks Faltrad - I had no idea.
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Our just-turned 3 year old counts, but anything more than one, is 'two'...for a little while I thought it was because he has confused the concept of 'too' and 'two'....now I am starting to think it's the swiss influence.

How many fingers ?
Let's count them,,, one...two...three...four...five.
How many ?
Two!
don't worry about it... when my girl was little, the largest number in the world was 85, for some reason...

so at springtime, there were 85 flowers in the park... there were 85 gum balls in the gum ball machine... there were 85 fish in the sea...

sometime in the kindergarten year it went away, but was quite fun while it lasted...
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Einmal, zweimal, dreimal now written einmal, zwei Mal, drei Mal is just German, nothing especially Swiss.
Thanks for the historical notion, btw nobody (my guess) had ever thought einmal and companies were Swiss words. It's well written under the sky, I reckon, they are german. The questioning was about the possible misunderstanding in hypothetic similar pronounce between zwei[/drei]imal Kaffee und zwei/drei Kaffee, which is not possible under the Swiss dialect given the huge difference.
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Re: Zweimal Kaffee?

OK, no problem, I obviously misunderstood this sentence:
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Simply, it's a swiss way to express the simple concept of asking for multiple stuffs...
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OK, no problem, I obviously misunderstood this sentence:
No problem, the underlying sense was that swissy prefer adverbs to plain numbers when it comes to asking for stuffs; further than that, thanks again for the notion.

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Old 06.01.2011, 21:06
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Re: Zweimal Kaffee?

Here in good ol' rustic canton Bern (ooh arr!!) we use "einish" for one, too (if you get what I mean)
For example, in summer, you will hear the locals arriving at the pool and asking for "einish zum schwimmen"......very häärzig!!
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Re: Zweimal Kaffee?

This was one of the first things I learnt in German (while living in Germany itself), because of its use in kiosks, shops etc.

English speakers should rejoice that it exists, because it means you don't have to know the plural of what you're asking for. Einmal Bratwurst, zweimal Bratwurst.

And, as an added bonus, if you're asking for einmal something, you don't have to know its gender. Einmal Bratwurst (feminine), einmal Brot (neutrum). Einfach einmal!
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Re: Zweimal Kaffee?

I was actually not so much confused with Zweimal or Zwei question but more when i walk into a coffee shop with my friend and the lady at the counter says "Hello Together"!!! it took to me sometime to figure out its the direct traslation of "Grüezi Mitenand".

So trying to be clever one day after me and my friend took coffee, i told the lady "Alles Mitenand" (All together), and she replied with a smile "Zusamman?" and i said "ya ya" and never tried to experiment with german again...
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So trying to be clever one day after me and my friend took coffee, i told the lady "Alles Mitenand" (All together), and she replied with a smile "Zusamman?"
"Alles Mitenand" -> telling the waitress, that you like to have all the consumations ordered at your table (or party) put together on your bill.

"Zusammen?" -> waitress is assuring your demand of putting it all on your bill.
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Thanks for making us aware. These English-German translations always make me giggle.
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"Alles Mitenand" -> telling the waitress, that you like to have all the consumations ordered at your table (or party) put together on your bill.

"Zusammen?" -> waitress is assuring your demand of putting it all on your bill.
Basically correct, but "Alles mitenand" is Swiss German, wheras "Zusammen?" is Standard German. In Swiss German that's "Zämmä?" or "Zamma?" or something like that, depending on the local dialect.

To make things even more confusing, it's also possible to say "Alles zämmä" (see remark above concerning dialects) or "Alles zusammen" (in Standard German).
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"Alles zusammen" (in Standard German).
I'd tend to say, "Lassen Sie den Knicker für seine eigenen Kaffee zahlen."
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I'd tend to say, "Lassen Sie den Knicker für seinen eigenen Kaffee zahlen."
knicker? probably you meant "(alter) knacker"?. would be an old man (in a disrespectful way).

or did i get you wrong?
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knicker? probably you meant "(alter) knacker"?. would be an old man (in a disrespectful way).

or did i get you wrong?
A Knicker is a stingy guy, skinflint, scrooge etc..
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