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Is there anything you can do when you're totally demotivated to continue to learn a foreign language ?

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Give it a break, leave it for a while and when the motivation hits you again, continue.
Your life doesn't depend on it or does it?
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Old 21.01.2011, 11:25
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How about us getting back on topic. Has anyone been in this situation? What did you do?
My first thought was, if you don't 'have' to use the language in everyday life, go for a trip, even a short one, to the country or area of the language that you are learning and try out the bit you already have. Sometimes it is depressing, but sometimes, when you understand just few words, you are very motivated to have another shot.
Sometimes taking a short break isn't a bad thing. You don't forget all you have learned by any means, and listening to an early lesson, or reading one of the first chapters again, can be quite fun.
Makes sense to me! If you can't do that immediately, try reading or watching something funny in the language. Not something terribly clever where you have to understand every word and all the nuances - just good simple fun.

It doesn't hurt to have a few "comfort books" on the shelf for times like this. Mine are three sci-fi books which were translated from English to German. I read them first in English, and now that I know the story I can just relax and enjoy re-reading them in German, whether or not I understand every word - like watching Star Wars with the sound turned down. (Actually that might be another idea: go and watch one of your all-time favorite films, but in the language you are trying to learn.)
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Old 21.01.2011, 11:32
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Re: Demotivation : what to do

My number one tip would be music. Music is such a deep rooted part of our lives which has an imense subconscious effect on us. Therefore, in times when you're not motivated to learn a language, simply sing along songs (you can also print out the lyrics) that are in the language that you are trying to learn. This will not only be more fun but you'll be able to learn more efficiently. The main reason for that is, when we sing, we activate both halves of our brain, whereas when you speak you just use one half (that's why people who stutter can sing).
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Re: Demotivation : what to do

Lots of excellent advice from many. Watching films you know well and like in your own language is great- you can relax as you know the plot- maybe even know bits by heart - so you easily pick up some expressions, vocab, etc. Same with books.
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Re: Demotivation : what to do

I sang German, I was fluent in Einstürzende neubauten, before I could speak it.
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Re: Demotivation : what to do

I still believe that being in touch with people help a lot. Having friends to do things with in the language helps big time. It can be cooking, going out, sports, etc. It gives you the chance to hear the language ''live'' and absorbed it.
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Old 21.01.2011, 11:55
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Re: Demotivation : what to do

I should add, being with people from the language you learn brings you also into their culture, music, and art.

Which is a big help to enjoy and get motivated. By learning spanish with spanish friends, you'll get to go out with them, eat their food, dance on their music and get involve in the whole spanish community.

Much better then sitting alone in your living room watching a movie or listening a language class.
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Re: Demotivation : what to do

De-motivation, motivation, depression and energy boosts are part of the process of learning something new (...and of communication). So, first of all do not allow it to bother you too much, it happens to the best of us

Personally when get de-motivated to go on with my struggle in french, I try songs in french : I find myself a nice song (from a good looking singer , get the lyrics from Internet and I sing it. This way I improve vocabulary and fluency plus I fake that I can actually speak the language.

You can also try to read a small children's book in this language (I was utterly surprised when I realised that I could read relatively comfortably the books of my little daughter and now I am reading the "petit prince") gives confidence boost...and a smile on your face

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Is there anything you can do when you're totally demotivated to continue to learn a foreign language ?
Yes. Take some steps back.

Ponder the situation, with all honesty and objectivity possible. Review the reasons for learning that foreign languages, review the objectives, review the possible achievement and the consequences of success/failures. Don't neglect to consider clearly the plans B that are lurking, i.e. what will life be if you stop learning the languages, or take more time, or take a break, or don't achieve the expected fluency.

One has to be kicked in the ass for learning a language. Knowing 1000 languages is useless if you are following a path of life where using only one language is enough for you to have a happy and satisfying life. Young children of multilingual parents do not want to become multilingual, they just want to communicate well and smoothly with mummy, daddy, and the other children they play with. As someone wrote it in this forum, rich immigrants don't have to learn the language, so they don't really learn, while poor immigrants have to learn it, so they do learn it.

Maybe that the kick in the ass has disappeared for you. Maybe that your goals have changed. Maybe that you have more or less realized that the efforts for getting a better level in the language were not worth it.

Or maybe that you are just in a "consolidation" phase of learning the language, a phase where you are deepening what you have learnt, while not learning much more.

When I was in Finland, I saw some French immigrants arriving with the self-imposed pressure of learning the language within one or two years, because, as French people who had never really lived out of their French world, they considered outrageous/shameful to live "permanently" in a country without knowing the language. Of course, they could manage in English, they were working in English, etc. Either they changed their values and were able to admit it can be "ok" to live "permanently" in Finland without knowing almost anything of the language (or they admitted it would take them 20 years to master it just enough for chit-chatting), either they felt miserable and left the country on a failed story. Those who had to learn the language for studying/working, they learnt it. Also, the younger, the easier it was to learn Finnish. Being 18 years old or 28 years old, big difference when it comes to learning, sitting on a chair in class, doing the exercises.

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Old 21.01.2011, 12:12
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Re: Demotivation : what to do

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Stop learning it.
Totally agree with that! I`ve just finished another German course and quite frankly just have `Kein Lust` to carry on at the moment. If you`re not motivated then you need to step back and take a break - even for 6 months or so.
Strangely . . . . . another language that I am so keen to pick up again/carry on with . . . . I can`t find a teacher .
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Re: Demotivation : what to do

I have a similar problem with languauges. Learning the basics is not too bad. Reading is OK in simple text. I lose confeidence when it comes to speaking the language.

For me, it is the thought of making a complete fool of myself getting the words wrong. I know this is irrational because when foreigners make mistakes speaking English it isn't a big issue.
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Old 21.01.2011, 15:23
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Some good advices on here. Thanks.

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Date a girl that speaks that language. What language would that be Bernie?
Date a girl that speaks English ? already tried but failed. It's certainly more easy for you to date a native that for me to date somebody who speaks fluently English.


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Stop learning it.
will be my next flounce then, 'coz that's one of the reason I'm on this forum.

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Give it a break, leave it for a while and when the motivation hits you again, continue.
Your life doesn't depend on it or does it?
Don't need English to live, it's just a pleasure.
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Some good advices on here. Thanks.
Date a girl that speaks English ? already tried but failed. It's certainly more easy for you to date a native that for me to date somebody who speaks fluently English.
..I'm not a native speaker. There are so many nice people who are fluent in English. I think you should give that option a second chance and look for somebody who speaks English but isn't necessarily and native English speaker.
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..I'm not a native speaker. There are so many nice people who are fluent in English. I think you should give that option a second chance and look for somebody who speaks English but isn't necessarily and native English speaker.
about dating, I always look if the woman I'm interested in speak English. It's part of what I look for, but as I said, no success so far.

I'm in contact with some people who are fluent, conversing by emails, now, if I'm demotivated, I'm not going to speak with them.

Could even just stop conversing.
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Re: Demotivation : what to do

Methinks it would be easier learning Klingon than finding a girl.
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Re: Demotivation : what to do

Dating somebody who speaks a foreign language, just for the language experience, seems a bit extreme, especially if it is their first language.

Certainly, regular speaking of the language is a great advantage.
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Dating somebody who speaks a foreign language, just for the language experience, seems a bit extreme, especially if it is their first language.

Certainly, regular speaking of the language is a great advantage.
However interestingly, dating someone who cannot speak your language at all but has fantastic breasts is, by and large, a very sensible thing to do.
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Dating somebody who speaks a foreign language, just for the language experience, seems a bit extreme, especially if it is their first language.

Certainly, regular speaking of the language is a great advantage.
would not be just for the language experience, but firstly because there's feelings.....

Now if I believe what I've been told, my knowledge of English is quite good, even if I believe I'm very far of being fluent.
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would not be just for the language experience, but firstly because there's feelings.....

Now if I believe what I've been told, my knowledge of English is quite good, even if I believe I'm very far of being fluent.
Based on your written English, I guess that your spoken English is probably very good.
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Now if I believe what I've been told, my knowledge of English is quite good, even if I believe I'm very far of being fluent.
If my French was half as good as your English, I'd be yelling "Je parle couramment le francais" from the rooftops of Geneva

I don't even now if that french is correct :-)
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