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Re: A challenge - who can help decipher an old handwritten text in German

Things from the past are always of great interest, when there's hands on contact.
Sometimes the reality of finding out the history, doesn't always live up to the prior speculation of the mystery.
Interesting, non-the-less.
I'm sure folks will be interesting in the outcome of the translation.
[I couldn't really decipher the handwriting, to attempt a translation, with my limited Deutsch].

Floorboards lasted well, though.
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Re: A challenge - who can help decipher an old handwritten text in German

Our house is in Elm

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What I can get out of it - without garantee so wait for a second and third opinion: The person wants a farmer boy, engagement probably and needs to put in in writing. The matter schould be done by next sunday if all agree, but can be done before if possible. Jokob Blunn must be notified.

Style is short and sentences incomplete. It's a short notice like they should be. Grammar structure is not totally clear to me, especially this "als" and to me, there is a verb missing somewhere.


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Lettres in ( ) are not in the written text, it's just my guess to make it more modern or understandable
Weinmonat : october
Some old spelling: Werther for werter (dear)
Some strange expressions:
- durch bar Buchstaben berichten (to give a message in written??? just speculating)
- ver setz: perhaps versetzt in the sense of verstimmt (disagreeing, to have something against it, having a grief)
- bescheint: perhaps in the sense of bescheinigen (to tell somebody, to notify)
Streit Jochen in Elm: I am not sure about Streit, but Jochen is clear. Elm is just a guess, in can also be a abbreviation of something.
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Our house is in Elm
Shame the floorboards weren't - they might have lasted even longer.
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Our house is in Elm
like, way in the hills?

Have you moved the library there?!

Maybe take the letter to the Gemeinde - they are sure to find some relatives who may or not be excited about it?
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Old 21.03.2011, 09:17
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Maybe take the letter to the Gemeinde - they are sure to find some relatives who may or not be excited about it?
I think that's a very good idea. Imagine the new owners of your forefathers' house turn up with a handwritten letter of you great-great-great....mother or father!

Btw I have an elderly colleague who might be able to read this - I printed it out and maybe that will be of help, even though some people have already helped a lot.
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Old 21.03.2011, 09:18
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Re: A challenge - who can help decipher an old handwritten text in German

Streit, Jürgen could be family name and first name.
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That's awesome!!
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Old 21.03.2011, 09:48
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Fantastic post - what a great style to start your week.

I will try my best

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Old 21.03.2011, 10:09
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Re: A challenge - who can help decipher an old handwritten text in German

What a great post!!

I'm pulling up my floorboards as we speak....
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Old 21.03.2011, 10:50
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like, way in the hills?

Have you moved the library there?!

Maybe take the letter to the Gemeinde - they are sure to find some relatives who may or not be excited about it?

Yes and yes
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Whilst ripping up an old rotten floor to put down a new one, we found an old letter hidden between the floor boards and the beam. Unfortuantely we have no idea what it says, except that it is dated 1841. Is there anyone who can help us to translate it?

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Don't you wish it said whoever rips us this floor and finds this letter will then be led to the secret stash of cash I hid in the wall. Oh well.
Good luck with the renovation. Who knows what else you might find.
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Old 21.03.2011, 11:07
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Don't you wish it said whoever rips us this floor and finds this letter will then be led to the secret stash of cash I hid in the wall. Oh well.
Good luck with the renovation. Who knows what else you might find.
yea good luck, it could very well be a handwritten apology for an unpaid cleaning bill ? whoever finds the letter, needs to pay it

Great Sherlock Holmes type thread
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Old 21.03.2011, 11:09
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Don't you wish it said whoever rips us this floor and finds this letter will then be led to the secret stash of cash I hid in the wall. Oh well.
Good luck with the renovation. Who knows what else you might find.

some gold would be nice

unfortunately this is the last rooms that have not been renovated, so I don't think we'll be finding anything else
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Old 21.03.2011, 11:19
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Re: A challenge - who can help decipher an old handwritten text in German

This writing style was known, among other names, as Sütterlinschrift or Suetterlin writing.

I learned how to write it as a kid (I'm in my 20s), because it was a family tradition to do so. Nowadays, almost no one can write or read it. I always used it as a type of cryptography, so no one could copy my notes in school.

This letter was very messily written, but Faltrad did a really good job of figuring it out.

If anyone wants to learn how to write this, I have some nice resources (mainly in German, but I might find a few English ones).
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Re: A challenge - who can help decipher an old handwritten text in German

Using my (extensive) calligraphy skills I've determined that this document is in fact the instruction guide for "painting the Turin Shroud" in numbers anno. 1842. It also states that they had to change models half way through the process as the original model needed to use the washroom when they reached the navel area.

I think that Tom Hanks is up for lead rôle in the movie.
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Old 21.03.2011, 11:48
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I showed it to my neighbour who is 95.

According to her - and her eyes are not so perfect now - it's a love letter with the wish to be together forever in future.

Written at Christmas 1841 - "Zum 27sten Weihnacht 1841". The letter finishes with "in Liebstem"
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I showed it to my neighbour who is 95.

According to her - and her eyes are not so perfect now - it's a love letter with the wish to be together forever in future.

Written at Christmas 1841 - "Zum 27sten Weihnacht 1841". The letter finishes with "in Liebstem"

bit different from the farm hand translation
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Old 21.03.2011, 11:57
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I showed it to my neighbour who is 95.

According to her - and her eyes are not so perfect now - it's a love letter with the wish to be together forever in future.

Written at Christmas 1841 - "Zum 27sten Weihnacht 1841". The letter finishes with "in Liebstem"
Aw, that's sweet!

I think she is a bit off on the translation though (probably due to poor eyesight as you say.) The little tail on the first letter of that last word (the "Liebstem"/"Bilten" word) makes it definitely a "B" instead of an "L" - there's almost no other difference between those two letters in this script, so I can see how someone with bad eyes could miss it!

I'd go with Faltrad's reading on the previous page - I wasn't able to decipher the whole thing myself but what I did get (about half of it!) tallies very closely with his reading. The first word of the second line is definitely "Knecht" which means a male servant or farmhand.
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This writing style was known, among other names, as Sütterlinschrift or Suetterlin writing.

I learned how to write it as a kid (I'm in my 20s), because it was a family tradition to do so. Nowadays, almost no one can write or read it. I always used it as a type of cryptography, so no one could copy my notes in school.

This letter was very messily written, but Faltrad did a really good job of figuring it out.

If anyone wants to learn how to write this, I have some nice resources (mainly in German, but I might find a few English ones).
Mememeeee!

although technically I don't think this is Sütterlinschrift as Sütterlin wasn't due to be born for another 20 years. (But Sütterlinschrift was supposed to be a simplified form of the earlier cursive script, right? Maybe that's part of the 'messiness' we're seeing - older letterforms.)
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Re: A challenge - who can help decipher an old handwritten text in German

But for the lack of a pink paying-in slip, I'd have probably guessed that it was an early invoice from Billag. That's the only German-language stuff we receive with any regularity.
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