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Old 09.05.2011, 15:39
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I would cringe if someone said 'I have just seen her' and it wasn't a mistake.
Me too, and I'm American.
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Old 09.05.2011, 15:41
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Would that I have to disagree ^^ My teacher reinforced the use of the Present Perfect a lot (they were British though, and the Scottish accent made me swoon).

I am a proud user of Present Perfect, and would have used "I have just seen her" any time
You'd be wrong though. (From another Brit-Scot)
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Old 09.05.2011, 15:43
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Please ignore the Would (With) and add the missing s on teatcher... Working with 3 languages at the moment and it is making my brain boil.

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That is why the American version is considered to be "I just saw her"... It's no wonder you would cringe


What is then grammatically incorrect with the sentence "I have just seen her"?
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Old 09.05.2011, 15:46
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That is why the American version is considered to be "I just saw her"... It's no wonder you would cringe
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10. Which is grammatically more correct: I have just seen her or I just saw her?
Both are equally correct in American English. I just saw her is not correct in British English.

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Old 09.05.2011, 15:50
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What is then grammatically incorrect with the sentence "I have just seen her"?
I'm not sure if there is anything grammatically incorrect with the sentence. I'm not a grammar expert. I just said I'd cringe.

You said you'd disagree. I said you were wrong...because I would cringe.

Other native English speakers can correct me if they've been taught differently. But I was never taught all the 'present perfect' 'past perfect' malarky...I usually just go by ear and see if it sounds right.

'I have just seen her' just doesn't sound right to me

Also, I'd hardly take that test as gospel after looking at the answer to the first question!
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Old 09.05.2011, 15:54
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Re: How well äh good is your English

Ah, my mistake evilshell! I hadn't read teh quote entirely My apologies!

I was talking with my personal experience as a base, having all my American friends giggle/ going nuts because of my use of the present perfect, and having to endure long hours on how American grammar is much easier.

I actually quite enjoyed the English lessons where we had to learn the difference between cookie/ biscuit jar, pants/ trousers, etc...

But I do love learning new languages (expect German )
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Re: How well äh good is your English

It all depends on the context:

For example, to the question 'have you seen her recently?', one could reply 'Yes, I have just seen her'.

However, if you were asked 'When did you last see her?', you could reply 'I saw her yesterday' (as well as 'I have just seen her' - if indeed you had).
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Old 09.05.2011, 15:57
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It all depends on the context:

For example, to the question 'have you seen her recently?', one could reply 'Yes, I have just seen her'.

However, if you were asked 'When did you last see her?', you could reply 'I saw her yesterday' (as well as 'I have just seen her' - if indeed you had).

Or answering the question: "How do you cut her in half using a saw?"
"I just saw her"
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Old 09.05.2011, 16:01
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I'm not sure if there is anything grammatically incorrect with the sentence. I'm not a grammar expert. I just said I'd cringe.

You said you'd disagree. I said you were wrong...because I would cringe.

Other native English speakers can correct me if they've been taught differently. But I was never taught all the 'present perfect' 'past perfect' malarky...I usually just go by ear and see if it sounds right.

'I have just seen her' just doesn't sound right to me

Also, I'd hardly take that test as gospel after looking at the answer to the first question!
Oh, don't take me wrong! I was not insinuating anything I was genuinely looking for a native speaker answer.

I was massacred for 2 years with the verb tenses... But I did really enjoy the use of present and past perfect, but it might be because I am a huge fan of classical literature, and got used to them a long time ago. I find the correct use of those tenses absolutely beautiful

I guess I am biased… I find English a very beautiful language (especially if you close those damned horrific prepositions on a torture chamber), and even better with a nice Scotish or Irish accent... *fan girl giggle*


P.S.: Thank you to the moderator for gluing my posts together. Someone posted in between my answers and could not put both answers in the same post!
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Old 09.05.2011, 16:03
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Re: How well äh good is your English

It seems to me that present perfect is becoming a part of phraseology rather than a question of grammar rules, really..
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Old 09.05.2011, 16:04
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Old 09.05.2011, 17:56
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Old 10.05.2011, 00:07
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The sun ... shine tomorrow.

Could this not be:

is going to

or

will

Quite!

I was p*ssed off at getting 91%, when my english is err totally awesome. It was this one that lost me the points.
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Old 10.05.2011, 00:31
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And wrote down. There shouldn't be a questions mark at the end of 'I would like to briefly make a point.' Only to be told that there is nothing wrong with the sentence.
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I did that too!! I spotted the question mark and did not even think about the split infinitive. The question should have put the phrase in quotes, with a question mark at the end, to differentiate the phrase from the question (still with me??!!)
The "?" was part of the question: "What is wrong with the sentence".

The actual sentence was identified in italics. The split infinitive leaped out, but I'm glad they agreed the answer was 'nothing'

"I have just seen her"

sounds a bit wordy, but I guess in real life, you'd say "I've just seen 'er"
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Old 10.05.2011, 01:39
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Re: How well äh good is your English

Just spent an hour teaching the difference between will (for prediction, inevitability etc.) and going to (for plans) to a class...
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'I have just seen her' just doesn't sound right to me
You know whats funny? An Irish person would be inclined to say 'I'm just after seeing her'. This is because Irish (Gaelic) doesn't have a pluperfect tense. Perhaps because you are Scottish you have a similar aversion to perfect tenses?

'I just saw her sounds' doesn't sit well with me either. I wouldn't cringe if I heard it spoken but I would be unlikely to use it myself.
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Old 10.05.2011, 03:22
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Re: How well äh good is your English

in ebonics it should be something like:

"I had see her"
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Old 10.05.2011, 06:50
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in ebonics it should be something like:

"I had see her"
What's your source for that? I'm asking because nothing in my experience or reading has ever suggested the existence this form in AAVE, and linguistics is an interest of mine.

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Old 10.05.2011, 10:38
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in ebonics it should be something like:

"I had see her"

no, in ebonics it would be:

"Bitch be craazy"
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Old 10.05.2011, 10:50
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The "?" was part of the question: "What is wrong with the sentence".

The actual sentence was identified in italics. The split infinitive leaped out, but I'm glad they agreed the answer was 'nothing'

"I have just seen her"

sounds a bit wordy, but I guess in real life, you'd say "I've just seen 'er"
Really? Are you sure? Can someone else confirm?
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