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I'm moving to Zurich and speak no German. I've been practising saying "Ich bin ein Ausländer. Sprechen Sie Englisch, verdammt!" but I think I may need to be able to say a bit more than that.

So what phrases have people found are the most useful to master when they first move to German-speaking Switzerland? But just as important, are there particular phrases that I should tune my ears to pick up, like "Oi, du Idiot, raus aus dem Weg, dass Straßenbahn!" or "Excuse me Sir, aber Ihr fliegen wird rückgängig gemacht"
"E stange hell bitte"
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Telling a waiter "I'd like an erection" won't work anywhere outside of Zurich).
The OP is a lucky guy, that's exactly where he wants his erection.
I order only Alsterwasser.
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Old 16.06.2011, 15:18
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"Entschuldigung, ich spreche nicht Deutsch, sprechen Sie English bitte ?
I apologize, I do not speak German, do you speak English?

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It's: ''Ich spreche kein Deutsch''
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Re: Useful German phrases to say or recognise

"Häsch en Stutz?"
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"an" in Switzerland is not only dialect but also CH Standard German (written German). To my experience, while Swiss people love the expression "ich wone a dä ...schtrass xxx ", most Germans rather state "meine Adresse ist..."
No, most Germans would say "Ich wohne in der Rämistraße 71". "An der Rämistraße 71" sounds like "I put up my tent next to the building at Rämistraße 71" for a German. The same holds for "Ich war an der Olma", which for a German would mean he was standing right outside the festival area.

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No, most Germans would say "Ich wohne in der Rämistraße 71". "An der Rämistraße 71" sounds like "I put up my tent next to the building at Rämistraße 71" for a German. The same holds for "Ich war an der Olma", which for a German would mean he was standing right outside the festival area.
What I referred to was the point that I since 1973 have various phone calls from Germany, but could not remember anyone ever having said "ich wohne ..." but that practically everybody correctly stated "meine Adresse ist ...". In regard to the Swiss way, my colleague here always jokes "die wohnen nicht, die hausen" In regard to things like having been "an der Olma", Germans in my experience use expressions like "ich besuchte die Olma" weil quite many Swiss are what some teachers I had described as "REDEFAUL"
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What I referred to was the point that I since 1973 have various phone calls from Germany, but could not remember anyone ever having said "ich wohne ..." but that practically everybody correctly stated "meine Adresse ist ...". In regard to the Swiss way, my colleague here always jokes "die wohnen nicht, die hausen" In regard to things like having been "an der Olma", Germans in my experience use expressions like "ich besuchte die Olma" weil quite many Swiss are what some teachers I had described as "REDEFAUL"
Well, if you ask someone for his address on the phone, then of course he will reply "my address is...". But if someone wants to tell you where he's living in a conservation, then he'll go for "ich wohne in der...". Concerning Olma: a) Germans do usually not use Praeteritum in spoke language (hence it would be "ich habe die Olma besucht"). The usage of praeteritum is typical for a Swiss trying to sound "Hochdeutsch". b) the analogon to the Swiss "an der Olma" would be "auf der Olma".
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Well, if you ask someone for his address on the phone, then of course he will reply "my address is...". But if someone wants to tell you where he's living in a conservation, then he'll go for "ich wohne in der...". Concerning Olma: a) Germans do usually not use Praeteritum in spoke language (hence it would be "ich habe die Olma besucht"). The usage of praeteritum is typical for a Swiss trying to sound "Hochdeutsch". b) the analogon to the Swiss "an der Olma" would be "auf der Olma".
Well, rather the other way round. Swiss people in spoken "Hochdeutsch" practically never use the full perfect (Imperfekt) as this is not existing in any Swiss German dialect, and practically not used in the dialects of Southern B-W and Alsace.

There are expressions which slowly get closer to the standard language. When people here used to say "ich gange UF Schaffuuse" now people increasingly say "ich gange nach Schaffuuse".

And back to the address. Do not forget that in spoken language here "an der" simply is "adä" . So a typical statement may be "ich binn uf Oerlike ggange, und binn deet adä Züschpa gsii" !
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What I referred to was the point that I since 1973 have various phone calls from Germany, but could not remember anyone ever having said "ich wohne ..." but that practically everybody correctly stated "meine Adresse ist ...".
Could it be that your calls were more business related? You know, I don't actually live in my office, but I have an address there... For me, "ich wohne in der xy Strasse..." is far more normal than "meine Addresse ist...".

But getting back to useful phrases:

"Ich bin Amerikaner, bitte sprechen Sie langsam."
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A) IN Baden (im = in dem = Dativ)
B) AN der xxx-Strasse 23 (IN is English)
C) Gute Nacht (nouns have Capital Letters at the Beginning )
D) No, it is NOT "Ihre Hosen sind offen" but "Ihr Hosenladen ist offen
no, its IN, not AN. AN it is when its swiss german, high german IN

it makes my teeth hurt when i hear stuff like " man wird kachelmann nicht mehr AM TV sehen" oder "ich gehe AN ein festival". waaaahhhh!
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The OP is a lucky guy, that's exactly where he wants his erection.
I order only Alsterwasser.
i wonder where you can order that and will be served?
alsterwasser or radler or shandy is unknown here. its panache.
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i wonder where you can order that and will be served?
alsterwasser or radler or shandy is unknown here. its panache.
I was just making the point that my answer was linked to the fact that the OP wanted something in a specific region on the German speaking area, thus Stange as Bier. I did that by using an regional word linked to another area, in that case Hamburg.

I would never say Stange or Radler or Velo, but I don´t see why other people shouldn't say it if they wish to do so in the corresponding German speaking area. I'm not really ordering "Alsterwasser" in CH.
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i wonder where you can order that and will be served?
alsterwasser or radler or shandy is unknown here. its panache.
and you have to pronounce it incorrectly: Bánnasch.
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and you have to pronounce it incorrectly: Bánnasch.
That too, but I must admit that it is normal to alemanic speakers to pronounce unaspirated /p/, thus other Germans hear more a /b/. Parts of Germany have the same characteristic in dialects (Swabian, Saxon...)
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That too, but I must admit that it is normal to alemanic speakers to pronounce unaspirated /p/, thus other Germans hear more a /b/. Parts of Germany have the same characteristic in dialects (Swabian, Saxon...)
The problem is not the p / b, but the fact that practically all native Swiss German speakers (including waiters / waitresses, if there is such a thing) say "Panasch," as if it were spelled "panache," not "panachée" in French.
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Panaché is a way of saying mixed/combined, but one of those famous brand with a very good marketing budget ist called Panach' without the ending. My guess is that the name of the brand was adopted, not the acutal correct French word. Just a theory.

PS. panaché is masculin when used alone, perhaps you were thinking of bière panachée, bière feminin.
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"Entschuldigung, ich spreche nicht Deutsch, sprechen Sie English bitte ?
I apologize, I do not speak German, do you speak English?
That's not bad, but it sounds like 'I speak not German'. You could also say say "Ich spreche kein Deutsch" which is 'I don't speak any German', or even "Ich spreche wenig Deutsch" which is 'I speak very little German' depending on which category you fit into.

To the OP:
In my dealings with other foreigners who frequent my workplace, they're likely to use one or two word phrases, which is perfectly acceptable. Ex: "Kaffee bitte", "Stange bitte", "bezahle bitte or zahle bitte" which means 'I'd like to pay please". If a server comes up and says something to the effect of "Was hat Ihr gern?" they're asking you to order.
Also, Schale is the same as Milch Kaffee which means a coffee topped off with warm milk and some foam. It's not as strong or as costly as a cappuccino. If you want a tap water, say "Wasser or Hahnewasser". If you want sparking water say "Mineral" or if you'd rather bottled water say "Mineral ohne Kohlensauere". Want a Coke? It's either a "Cokie or a Cola". You may often be asked whether you want two deciliters or three, so I find it better to order it that way and avoid having to answer questions, "2-er Cola, und 3-er Mineral, bitte." pronounced Zweier and Dreier, respectively. If something only comes in a bottle they'll call it a "Flasche or a Flaschli" such as a Flaschli Cola Light.

That should get you through any cafe in the German speaking part of Switzerland at least. On a final note, it's probably not necessary to have a phrase memorized stating that you're a foreigner, as they'll quickly realize that anyways. Hope that helps .
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My friends taught me lots of useful phrases when I first moved over here.

Sadly they all seem to translate as "hello miss, yould you mind slapping me in the face?". Especially in bars....
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Could it be that your calls were more business related? You know, I don't actually live in my office, but I have an address there... For me, "ich wohne in der xy Strasse..." is far more normal than "meine Addresse ist...".

But getting back to useful phrases:

"Ich bin Amerikaner, bitte sprechen Sie langsam."
Yes, it is that most of my calls WERE business related. AND it is that in private contacts I abstain from asking about addresses but ask about cities and towns and regions. Add to this that I when learning English lived in 68 Westbourne Terrace and on visits to relatives in TX stayed IN places like "1714 Whitefeather Trail", and so when speaking High German automatically shift into "in". AND that my private German contacts KNEW that I KNEW their addresses. So that the topics were to live "IN Zürich" and "IN Krefeld" and "IN Memmingen" and IN München .
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The problem is not the p / b, but the fact that practically all native Swiss German speakers (including waiters / waitresses, if there is such a thing) say "Panasch," as if it were spelled "panache," not "panachée" in French.
while I detest Panaschéee
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