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Old 19.09.2011, 12:37
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Re: 'Actual' or 'Current' - that is the question……

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such as 'actual total' or 'actual man hours YTD' and they really mean 'current' (after informing the 'document owner' they still haven't been corrected - about 3 years now).
I'm with you on the "actual total"... which most likely should be "current (i.e. aktuell) total".

However, with "actual man hours YTD" it would be superfluous to add "current" in any case since "YTD" already implies "current".

I generally use "actual" in the sense of "real" versus "planned" or "forecasted".

I don't seem to be the only one: The New Hampshire government uses:

Actual vs. Estimate (Month): This is a percentage calculation of the actual monthly expenditure versus the estimate described in the above paragraph.
LY YTD Actual: This is the recognized prior fiscal year to date expenditure at each reporting level as of the last day of each month. This amount includes issued and scheduled payments as of the report date.
YTD Actual: This is the recognized current fiscal year to date expenditure at each reporting level as of the last day of each month. This amount includes issued and scheduled payments as of the report date.
http://www.nh.gov/transparentnh/wher...re-reports.htm
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Old 19.09.2011, 13:43
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Re: 'Actual' or 'Current' - that is the question……

You're confusing. How can you complain about non-native speakers doing it wrong if you bunch can't agree on the correct use?

I was struggling with "maybe, possibly" (eventuell in german) and "eventually".
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Old 19.09.2011, 14:07
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Re: 'Actual' or 'Current' - that is the question……

False Friend: Words that are similar in spelling and/or pronunciation in two languages but have different meanings
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what's there to discuss ?
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Old 19.09.2011, 14:33
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Re: 'Actual' or 'Current' - that is the question……

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False Friend: Words that are similar in spelling and/or pronunciation in two languages but have different meanings
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what's there to discuss ?
Yes, but "actual=current", "Aktuell=current", so how "False Friend"?

Both actual and Aktuell may have other meanings, but they both mean current! (check any English dictionary)

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Re: 'Actual' or 'Current' - that is the question……

I've been battling with 'actual'/current, 'trainings' and 'informations' (the biggest annoyances for me) for going on 15 years now...

Another gerund that regularly 'annoys/amuses' me is 'parking' (no there are not three bloody parkings in town - there are three car parks though!).

Anyway, remember the golden rule for foreigners - if they don't get it, just repeat but a bit more slowly and at greater volume . Used to be official British policy a hundred years ago I believe

P.s. Can I complain about our cousins across the pond adding an 's' to accommodation?
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Old 19.09.2011, 20:38
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P.s. Can I complain about our cousins across the pond adding an 's' to accommodation?
go ahead - could add a few more... : )
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Old 19.09.2011, 20:47
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Yes, but "actual=current", "Aktuell=current", so how "False Friend"?

Both actual and Aktuell may have other meanings, but they both mean current! (check any English dictionary)

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No, only current means current.
Well, my dictionary (Cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary) says that actual means "real; existing in fact".
Anyway, "actual" and "current" are not interchangeable, they carry different meaning, which means that they are definitely not synonyms.
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Old 19.09.2011, 20:52
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No, only current means current.
Well, my dictionary (Cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary) says that actual means "real; existing in fact".
Anyway, "actual" and "current" are not interchangeable, they carry different meaning, which means that they are definitely not synonyms.
The point is, ONE of the definitions of "actual", in both the US and UK dictionaries I have, neither of which is a "learners" dictionary, is "current".

To use "actual" to mean "current" is therefore 100% correct.

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Old 19.09.2011, 21:26
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The point is, ONE of the definitions of "actual", in both the US and UK dictionaries I have, neither of which is a "learners" dictionary, is "current".

To use "actual" to mean "current" is therefore 100% correct.

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Re: 'Actual' or 'Current' - that is the question……

I'm not sure any other language uses "actual" and "eventual" the way they're commonly used in English.


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The word is like nails down a blackboard.
Yeah . I guess it just started in the US with "health" being a regulated word (you can't sell "health" without a medical licence) so the whole spa/cosmetics industry needed something... catchy... to take its place. And boy has it caught, all around the world.
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Old 30.09.2011, 15:08
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Re: 'Actual' or 'Current' - that is the question……

Easy, folks. Languages change- always have and always will - which includes the change of meaning in some words, the addition of foreign words or made-up words; if it didn't we all would still use Chaucer's English and our German speaking friends would have no trouble to understand us
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Old 30.09.2011, 15:21
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Re: 'Actual' or 'Current' - that is the question……

Dictionaries will often list archaic meanings for completeness. But meanings/usage change, for native and borrowed words.

Actual does not mean current in current English. It actually means real/correct/factual.

(Contextual contrasting usage intended )

To argue against multiple native speakers of different dialects with a dictionary is foolhardy.
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Old 30.09.2011, 15:29
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Even within the different variants of English there are some of these false friends. I had an American manager who used the word "momentarily" in the sense of "in a few minutes' time" (I'm busy now but I'll call you back momentarily). Whereas in British English, momentarily means "for a short period of time" (he was momentarily in the lead until another runner overtook him).
This explains my misunderstanding of "I'll have sex with your momentarily" that one time.
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Old 30.09.2011, 15:43
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Dictionaries will often list archaic meanings for completeness. But meanings/usage change, for native and borrowed words.
In which case they mention that it archaic, which is NOT the case with actual meaning "now". Look it up.

Also, archaic definitions are still valid.

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Actual does not mean current in current English.
In fact, it DOES.

If you don't wish to use that sense of the word, then don't, but if someone does, they are certainly correct to do so.

And that is the ACTUAL state of affairs!

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Old 30.09.2011, 16:03
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Re: 'Actual' or 'Current' - that is the question……

I'm not a native speaker, but I have a thing for correct English.
English is one of my passions, believe it or not.
Would you say that these two phrases: "your current address" and "your actual address" would mean exactly the same, i.e. your place of residence at present?
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I'm not a native speaker, but I have a thing for correct English.
English is one of my passions, believe it or not.
Would you say that these two phrases: "your current address" and "your actual address" would mean exactly the same, i.e. your place of residence at present?
I would ask someone "Is that your actual address?" if I wasn't clear on something like if the person had said "I live at 10 Bum-Tit-Willy Lane." It would be an incredulous are-you-sure kind of question.

"Is that your current address?" would be used (in my case) if the person gave me a list of past and present residences and I was trying to find out the, well, current address.
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Old 30.09.2011, 16:15
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Re: 'Actual' or 'Current' - that is the question……

You're not going to convince Tom. He's too stuck on the last listing in his dictionary. What actual speakers of English think does not concern him.

(Tricky usage of actual intended )
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Old 30.09.2011, 16:36
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Re: 'Actual' or 'Current' - that is the question……

As a native English speaker, I was taught that if a definition is given in the dictionary, then it is valid to use a word as meaning such.

That one doesn't agree with one or more definitions of a word does not change the validity of using a word in such manner.

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As a native English speaker, I was taught that if a definition is given in the dictionary, then it is valid to use a word as meaning such.

That one doesn't agree with one or more definitions of a word does not change the validity of using a word in such manner.

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That's actually (I couldn't resist) not true. A word only has meaning in what collectively speakers of that language agree upon at any given period of time. In this case, the dictionary gives an arcane meaning that 99.9% (totally made up figure) of the population does not presently recognise. Your stubborn insistence will only create confusion when you use it your way. It's best not to confuse non-native speakers with such usage which clashes with dominant usage.
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Old 30.09.2011, 16:54
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Re: 'Actual' or 'Current' - that is the question……

Where is Ouchboy when we need him to announce The Battle of Dictionaries?

Longman and Oxford seem to support the claim that actual does not mean current.
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