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Aahhh La Placette, lol. My God Father was the manager of new and wonderful La Placette in Nyon in the late 50s and 60s - and I thought it was the bees-knees. Spent many a happy holiday in their old farm in Eysins, with days helping in the window dressing department of the store. Fab it was.
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You really learned 'dégueulasse' at school?!? Note, 'dègue' (short for dégeulasse) is more politically-correct, but still more vulgar than 'dégoûtant'

Well, at my English classes they taught us to use rubber for eraser.
I had some pretty bad French teachers! They also never taught the pronoun 'on', and we never used it in class. I should also mention that I studied French far beyond the obligatory number of years!

I don't know if it's Swiss French, but a friend recently taught me an expression I adore: xxx sors de ce corps, for example, I have a friend named Chloe who can never arrive at a decision, to the point of being maddening. My husband can't make up his mind up about something, so I say to him 'Chloe, sors de ce corps!' like I'm performing an exorcism LOL
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Re: swiss french words!!!

Renversé is still common in Valais, and I've only heard 'huitante' here as well.

A 2 'deci' beer is 'un mini', and 'une small' is 2dl of whiskey, usually 'Jeebay' (J&B)!

We still tell this story about a meal four of us had in a local restaurant years ago. We all had just got our food, and had full beers in front of us, when the waiter came back to the table with four fresh pints of beer. Turns out one of us had asked for 'ketchup' for his fries, and the waiter though he had asked for 'Quatre choppes'. I kid you not.

There a lot of interesting local variations here, and dialect is still spoken in some villages. I've often heard wasps (guèpes) referred to as 'vouippes', for example, and recipes and foods undergo quite a lot of variations.

Here is a very good list of differences between 'Standard' and Swiss French (there are of course regional variations that might not be accounted for):

http://www.oxfordlanguagedictionarie...French-fr.html

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There a lot of interesting local variations here, and dialect is still spoken in some villages. I've often heard wasps (guèpes) referred to as 'vouippes', for example, and recipes and foods undergo quite a lot of variations.

Here is a very good list of differences between 'Standard' and Swiss French (there are of course regional variations that might not be accounted for):

http://www.oxfordlanguagedictionarie...French-fr.html

Tout de bon!
Enjoyed reading that link - thank you. Although as with this thread, there seems to be a lot of variation and disagreement - for example, my french was purely learnt in France (we are moving to Romandie this summer) and I certainly say "tout de bon" very frequently ...

What perhaps is surprising is how little variation there is .. is there more variation between American English and British English? I have no idea (having only visited "les USA" only once).
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Enjoyed reading that link - thank you. Although as with this thread, there seems to be a lot of variation and disagreement - for example, my french was purely learnt in France (we are moving to Romandie this summer) and I certainly say "tout de bon" very frequently ...

What perhaps is surprising is how little variation there is .. is there more variation between American English and British English? I have no idea (having only visited "les USA" only once).
Definitely more variation between American and British English, understandable due to geography.

I suspect the differences between French and Swiss French might be receeding a bit due to the number of frontaliers and the influence of television, but its just a guess. Some of the expressions I used to hear here have become less frequent recently.
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Did you ask for 'un renversé'? Not a term used generally in Romandie - mor likely to ask for 'un café au lait'.
That is interesting....I've lived in Quebec, Belgium and France, and the only place I have ever heard renversé used is in Romandie. I was in Lyon and asked for one out of habit once and the waiter looked at me like I had green hair.
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What kills me in Lausanne is "Adieu" as a greeting when you meet, not when you leave.

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Aahhh La Placette, lol. My God Father was the manager of new and wonderful La Placette in Nyon in the late 50s and 60s - and I thought it was the bees-knees. Spent many a happy holiday in their old farm in Eysins, with days helping in the window dressing department of the store. Fab it was.
In Geneva, some people still call the Manor store by the train station La Placette, because that is where the La Placette was. I was so confused.
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That is interesting....I've lived in Quebec, Belgium and France, and the only place I have ever heard renversé used is in Romandie. I was in Lyon and asked for one out of habit once and the waiter looked at me like I had green hair.
That's my experience as well. I've lived in France, Belgium and Switzerland and the only place I've heard renversé used is here. All the places I've been to in Neuchâtel call it a renversé.

I asked for a cafe au lait here on a visit before we moved in a café in Neuchâtel and the lady said 'Ah vous voulez un renversé'.

I've only ever heard it called a cafe au lait in France in all the places I've lived or visited and in general the French think you're completely bonkers to ask for one unless it's for dunking your croissant in at breakfast. It's called a lait russe in Belgium but got no idea what's russian about it.

I find it really confusing living sometimes having lived in both France and Belgium. Some things have diffferent names in all three places.

A towel for example is called une serviette in France, un essui in Belgium and un linge here.

Like Sapin and Odile I learnt my French from living in Lyon and speaking to people so my French is full of slang expressions. Having said that I learnt pretty early on that déguelasse was not to be used and dégoutant was the polite thing to say.

I have a French friend who on arriving in Belgium made sure that her phone number had no 70 or 90 in it to avoid having to say septante ane nonante (they don't say huitante in Belgium).

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Re: swiss french words!!!

Living in the Swiss German part of Switzerland, I've had to listen to my German in-laws complaining constantly about the dialect my kids speak. It's nice to know that Swiss-French is just as 'weird' to the French as Swiss-German is to the Germans!
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Re: swiss french words!!!

For la Placette, a while ago Manor decided to unify the names of their shops and so along came the name change. They were called "Placette" in Romandie and "Innovazionne" in Ticino. I seem to remember that the Globus in Neuchâtel was called something else in the 80s... and used the same logo as Manor. Then it was acquired by Jelmoli which then got acquired by Globus.

La "thune" is an old word for money, it's actually the equivalent of 5CHF. "Il est bardé de thunes" means "he's got a load of dosh".
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Globus in Neuchatel was called 'Les Armourins' when I was a kid. And our local one was called 'Les Galeries du Vallon' then 'Placette' and later Manor. Of course now both closed - as CH is following the UK and US, and opening large out of town stores. Sadly imho.
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Living in the Swiss German part of Switzerland, I've had to listen to my German in-laws complaining constantly about the dialect my kids speak. It's nice to know that Swiss-French is just as 'weird' to the French as Swiss-German is to the Germans!
There's no comparison between the Swiss-German vs German and the "Swiss-french" vs French differences.
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In Geneva, some people still call the Manor store by the train station La Placette, because that is where the La Placette was. I was so confused.
I always call it La Placette - for those who remember in Geneva the EPA store on the Rue du Rhone that was called the UNIP by many..
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I once got a very funny look asking for a "canette" in Lausanne some years back. As I did when asking for a "renversé" at a French Autoroute restaurant.
Another thing I picked up from my kids is "je pas" for "je ne sais pas". Is this a Swiss thing, or is it used in French in general?
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Living in the Swiss German part of Switzerland, I've had to listen to my German in-laws complaining constantly about the dialect my kids speak. It's nice to know that Swiss-French is just as 'weird' to the French as Swiss-German is to the Germans!
Swiss-french is just bog standard French with a few idiosyncratic words and expressions thrown in. Grammatically it is the same.
What I do find is that Swiss-French is much more melodious in its intonation and generally slower (compared to the French people I know). The Swiss don't tend to use the "euuu" filler as much either.
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Not 'je pas' but a chewed up 'j'sais pas'. There much used in France too.

Another funny word 'un boguet' = one of those low cc motorcycle kids can ride from age 14.

Had a group at my Summer school in the UK, chatting on the lawn. 3 Romands, a Parisian and 2 from Nice. One of the Swiss kids said 'l'autre jour j'étais sur mon boguet quand mon Natel a sonné- et j'me suis viandé grave!'
The French kids understood the slang 'je me suis viandé grave' = I hurt myself bad- but didn't have a clue about the rest. It was really funny.
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Not 'je pas' but a chewed up 'j'sais pas'. There much used in France too.
In that case it's chewed up to such an extent that the "sais" no longer exists. And they intonate it very well, used quite indignantly most of the time
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And the many different ways to call a mop!

Une panosse, in my area. The proper wrod being 'serpillère', of course.
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In that case it's chewed up to such an extent that the "sais" no longer exists. And they intonate it very well, used quite indignantly most of the time
The proper "spelling" is [ch'ais pas] with the j from je and s from sais morphing into "sh".
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