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Re: Dear German Friend, Cant you really pronounce "ARRR"?

In lyric singing, rolling r is normal, I heard him say that it came to him naturally when singing in a lyric hard core way. They are reaaly clearly anti-Fa, this misunderstanding is a bit of a shame. But they have huge succes outside of Germany anyway, so nicht schlimm.
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Re: Dear German Friend, Cant you really pronounce "ARRR"?

Yes, I just found it here

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Das ebenfalls bisweilen kritisierte, expressiv gerollte „R“ im Gesang Lindemanns hat die Band nach eigener Aussage nicht beabsichtigt. So sagte Till Lindemann diesbezüglich:[46]
„Dabei ist das rollende ‚R‘ noch nicht einmal aus Absicht entstanden. Es kam von selbst, weil du in dieser tiefen Tonlage automatisch so singst. Wir wollten damit um Gottes Willen keine faschistische Attitüde erschaffen. […] Erst später, als wir in Interviews dazu befragt wurden, haben wir uns damit auseinandersetzen müssen.“
Aufgrund des gerollten „R“ werde Rammsteins Musik nur eingeschränkt gespielt, erklärte ein Mitarbeiter des Soldatensenders der Bundeswehr, Radio Andernach, gegenüber dem Magazin Rolling Stone, da „es zu einer verzerrten Darstellung und Wahrnehmung Deutschlands im Ausland“ kommen könne.[47]
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rammste...htsextremismus


Imho not very convincing (particularly that to nobody of them it had come to their minds), as not the only element that gets its inspiration in a 20ies/30ies esthetics taste and other allusions and statements.

And the lyrics alveolar thing in this type of music .... huh?
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Imho not very convincing, as not the only element that gets its inspiration in a 20ies/30ies esthetics taste and other allusions and statements.
This also a very gay estherics, half the leather bars in Europe look like a clip made by Rammstein, sweaty worker style bodies included. (yes, I know such things). Still, no relevent sexual identity in this either.
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This also a very gay esthetics, ...
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From my point of view no real oxymoron between fascism and homoerotism stuff, in the contrary. What is contradictory is that NS and fascism picked gays as victims, having themselves so many elements openly propagated as aryan or german or völkisch or italiano (similar stuff in Italy) celebrating the male body and vicinity,

alongside nationalists' movements up from the 1910s already, if not earlier (Alldeutsche in Austria, e.g.).
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Re: Dear German Friend, Cant you really pronounce "ARRR"?

Absolutely, esthetics gets the meaning applied to it. Esthetics is interpretative. Fascist, gay or anything else really. Totally agree..
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Re: Dear German Friend, Cant you really pronounce "ARRR"?

e.kazemi - you are most welcome on EF, really. But it is such a pity you've got into the sad habit of groaning every time you don't agree with someone. Would you mean trying not to 'groan' quite so much. Thanks.

Some Brits are very good at rolling 'r's - then come from Liverpool

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Re: Dear German Friend, Cant you really pronounce "ARRR"?

Guys! please stick to the topic please!!
so cant they really simply say "R"?? or maybe they can but prefer to say "gh", "ch", "he" ,... other stuff!
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Guys! please stick to the topic please!!
so cant they really simply say "R"?? or maybe they can but prefer to say "gh", "ch", "he" ,... other stuff!
How about asking the people who you think are not saying "R" the way they should precisely this question?
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Re: Dear German Friend, Cant you really pronounce "ARRR"?

I can pronounce all r's, english, german, french, italian etc..
But I have problems pronouncing arab q's
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Guys! please stick to the topic please!!
so cant they really simply say "R"?? or maybe they can but prefer to say "gh", "ch", "he" ,... other stuff!
I would like to offer a contrary point of view to Odile's comment. If you persist in idiotic posts like this, making fun of people because they speak English differently when you can't even grasp the most basic fundamentals of their language, then please leave.

This forum accepts whiners, apologists, adults, children, and even (gasp) people who like it here, but I am of the opinion that we don't need trolls. So please do us all a favor and either clean up your act or go.
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Re: Dear German Friend, Cant you really pronounce "ARRR"?

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This question raised when i asked some of my german friends to say "red".
Shocking - how on earth do they deal with "rot" then?

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Shocking - how on earth do they deal with "rot" then?
They say it in *shock* a German accent
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Re: Dear German Friend, Cant you really pronounce "ARRR"?

I like e.kazemi. I don't think he's as daft as he would have us believe.

Anyway: the letter r represents several different sounds. There are lateral trills and uvular trills and all manner of weird guttural noises. The sounds came first, then a Roman letter was designated to represent them.

Compare also the letters x, w, l, a, c across languages.

E.kazemi, of course, being a polyglot (or at least bilingual) knew that already.

Entertaining thread, though.
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Re: Dear German Friend, Cant you really pronounce "ARRR"?

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I'm sure he's not daft. But having no sense of humor when learning a language is self-defeating and narrow-minded. His posts beg for wit like a child begs for candy.
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Re: Dear German Friend, Cant you really pronounce "ARRR"?

But then, you're just here to stir up trouble anyway, right?
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But then, you're just here to stir up trouble anyway, right?
You've got me sussed.

... that and a blog that needs advertising. And an insatiable craving for attention and approval. And the desire to keep Spreadsheet Boy on his toes monitoring all my posts for mentions of that which should not be named...

I must admit that I've been rather enjoying the resurrection of Dougal's Breakfast...
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Re: Dear German Friend, Cant you really pronounce "ARRR"?

Whilst on the topic of 'R' I did feel the need to mention that as an Aussie, I am not particularly enamoured with the use of 'r', at least not as much as our American counterparts. I have, however, developed an affectation of the use of the sound 'r' far more having worked with an American for a year...Aussies tend to drop the 'rr' perhaps 50% of the time in favour of a sound which is more like a stop, a dropped letter, or just run over so it's flat. Particularly when the sound 'ar' or 'er' is at the end of the word, we just drop the 'r'.

Letter = Letta
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Now, the 'Th' on the other hand, doesn't seem to exist in German, and I take great delight in teaching the children I work with to practice those 'th' sounds on the end of their tongue... especially the 'happy birsday'.
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I can pronounce all r's, english, german, french, italian etc..
But I have problems pronouncing arab q's
actually 'q' is somehow used in german lang. they pronounce 'r' such that it sounds like 'q' in arabic.
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Re: Dear German Friend, Cant you really pronounce "ARRR"?

although I suspect it was not intended by the OP, this is actually the #1 complaint I hear from a number of locals about Germans. doesn't bother me either way, since I still say "ch" like I'm coughing up a lung and enunciating the "r" or "l" in German words ending in "rn" or "ln" is totally impossible for me. oh, and don't get me started on double "r" sounds in German as in "lehrer", and "lehrerin" comes out like a single syllable.

live and let live, I say.
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actually 'q' is somehow used in german lang. they pronounce 'r' such that it sounds like 'q' in arabic.
Yea but in german the Q is always followed by the U
like Qualle, Quadrat for example,
in arabic the Q could be followed by anything and the pronounciation is different.
Ah I see you say the german "r" is prounounced similar to the arabic "q" I have to see how that works for me.
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