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You think that french is not full of formalities? Plus, didn't you say you were from Australia?
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In France, we only use this word on mostly final farewells but I am told for here it can be used as goodbye is this correct?
It not only CAN, it is the word to be used

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Yes, you can. Though I'd say Adieu isn't used as much as the short form "Ade".
or "Adià / Adie"

even if "Uf Widerluägä" is becoming more widespread by the day

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These are mainly used,

Hello.. Hoi (informal), Hallo (standard), Gruezi (formal)
Goodbye.. Ciao (informal), Tschuss (informal), Adieu/ Ade (formal)
Ciauo (Tschau) or Tschüss if you are per Du but Adieu/Adie or
Uf Widerluege if not

---- And I would abstain from "Hoi" as this is St. Gallen + Appenzell, and accepted in Thurgau and Schaffhausen but not highly appreciated in Zürich
- take Tschau for per-Du and Adieu/Adie/UfWiderluege for per-Sie
but forget the Tschüss which still has a "Bundes-Deutsche" sound for many people

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Whatever you feel most comfortable with. "Auf wiedersehen", if in doubt.
In spoken language you CAN say "uf widersäh" or rather
"uf widerluege" but "Adieu" and "Adieu mitenand" is more polite

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Re: Adieu can this word be used as goodbye here?

That's funny, since "Adieu" is really last farewell, or at least, there is a good chance that you never see the person again. Basically saying that it depends on the "will of God" if we ever meet again.
Even in Quebec we use it with that meaning.
If someone is going to tell me that I will wonder if there is something going very wrong.

if you are non-native speaker, then it's another story...
I guess said with a very strong swiss-German accent this sounds probably like something else.

And as a salutation, I never heard that, but it's confirmed on wiki

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And as a salutation, I never heard that, but it's confirmed on wiki
Only in Wikipedia reference-linkOccitan . So not in Suisse romande.
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Re: Adieu can this word be used as goodbye here?

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It's also heard quite frequently in Bern in informal circles.
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That's funny, since "Adieu" is really last farewell, or at least, there is a good chance that you never see the person again. Basically saying that it depends on the "will of God" if we ever meet again.
Even in Quebec we use it with that meaning.
If someone is going to tell me that I will wonder if there is something going very wrong.

if you are non-native speaker, then it's another story...
I guess said with a very strong swiss-German accent this sounds probably like something else.

And as a salutation, I never heard that, but it's confirmed on wiki

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It DOES sound differently of course. And nobody saying ADIEU/ADIE means not to see the other(s) again but rather to the contrary expects to see them again shortly. The term got into German speaking Switzerland during the Napoleonic occupation and to adapted just like Trottoir and Perron and some other terms.
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It's also heard quite frequently in Bern in informal circles.

Possiby brought to Bern by members of parliament from eastern Switzerland. And "informal" may well include people from St. Gallen !
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In France, we only use this word on mostly final farewells but I am told for here it can be used as goodbye is this correct?
Indeed correct. Here in Basel it's rendered "adu" with the "oo" sound being rather swallowed.

Like "merci" for thanks, "adieu" for "bye/see ya" is common in many European languages -- e.g. Slovene (no relation whatsoever to French), where it's rendered "adiyo" (approximate phonetics!).

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It's also heard quite frequently in Bern in informal circles.
The first (of many) times I heard "Hoi" was in Zürich -- from a Zürich-born-and-bred Swiss.

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Re: Adieu can this word be used as goodbye here?

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The first (of many) times I heard "Hoi" was in Zürich -- from a Zürich-born-and-bred Swiss.
I know such a person also.
But where did he spend his military service terms ?

Most Zürcher do those services elsewhere, for example in Graubünden, as some 70% of all "Bündner Truppen" are Zürcher. It is similar with "Aargauer Truppen" and "St. Galler Einheiten".

But again, Hoi generally is a St. Galler expression
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I hear "adieu" said as a greeting quite often, very informal and only between friends though. It's almost a sarcastic way of saying hello, a bit "look how subversive we are, saying goodbye to mean hello".
Sarcastic way ? I never heard it used this way. My mum's siblings and also her cousins and friends say it every time we meet but I don't use it myself to say hello when meeting a friend.
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Re: Adieu can this word be used as goodbye here?

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Like "merci" for thanks, "adieu" for "bye/see ya" is common in many European languages -- e.g. Slovene (no relation whatsoever to French), where it's rendered "adiyo" (approximate phonetics!).




The first (of many) times I heard "Hoi" was in Zürich -- from a Zürich-born-and-bred Swiss.


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But again, Hoi generally is a St. Galler expression
huh. i didnt know this. the Luzerner seem to like it a fair bit as well.
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Re: Adieu can this word be used as goodbye here?

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But again, Hoi generally is a St. Galler expression
That's news to me Grown up in Luzern, this is the most common informal welcome there, the same for Zug. And no, I've never served the army or spent more that a few hours in St. Gallen.I know a lot of people from Zürich who use that as well, and so far they didn't behead me, when I said Hoi to them . But then again, Zürich is Switzerland's melting pot
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Re: Adieu can this word be used as goodbye here?

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These are mainly used,

Hello.. Hoi (informal), Hallo (standard), Gruezi (formal)
Goodbye.. Ciao (informal), Tschuss (informal), Adieu/ Ade (formal)
Hello:
very formal/polite: Grüezi, Frau ...(Name); Grüezi, Herr ....(Name)
standard: Grüezi (in Canton Berne: Grüessech), Guten morgen,
guten abend, guete morge, gute aben,
a little informal: Hallo
informal: Ciao, Hoi, Hey

Goodbye:
very formal/polite: Auf Wiedersehen, Frau..(Name)..; Auf Wiedersehen, Herr ...(Name)
standard: Auf Wiedersehen, Adieu, Uf Wiederluege
a little informal: Ade
informal: Tschüss, Ciao

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Re: Adieu can this word be used as goodbye here?

Much easier in these parts.

Hello:

Ciao!

Goodbye:

Ciao!



The only thing difficult is trying to figure when to switch from "buongiorno" to "buonasera".

(both of which are also used for hello/goodbye)

Some people switch at noon, others not until late afternoon.

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Re: Adieu can this word be used as goodbye here?

Why is it that most non-native English speakers here and elsewhere use "bye-bye" as they are seeing you off? In the States we only use bye-bye as baby talk with kids.
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huh. i didnt know this. the Luzerner seem to like it a fair bit as well.
I can imagine a Lozärner coming in and greeting people by saying
Hoi zsäme, ich binn dä rüüdig schööni Toni vo näbädraa

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Re: Adieu can this word be used as goodbye here?

Damned good question.

Even my wife, who speaks about 10 words of English, says "bye-bye" from time to time!

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Why is it that most non-native English speakers here and elsewhere use "bye-bye" as they are seeing you off? In the States we only use bye-bye as baby talk with kids.
because we are non-native English speakers. It's cool to use it, kind of mode (fashion ?). I don't know if native English speakers use expression from the french or german language, but it should be the same reason.
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Hello:
very formal/polite: Grüezi, Frau ...(Name); Grüezi, Herr ....(Name)
standard: Grüezi (in Canton Berne: Grüessech), Guten morgen,
guten abend, guete morge, gute aben,
a little informal: Hallo
informal: Ciao, Hoi, Hey

Goodbye:
very formal/polite: Auf Wiedersehen, Frau..(Name)..; Auf Wiedersehen, Herr ...(Name)
standard: Auf Wiedersehen, Adieu, Uf Wiederluege
a little informal: Ade
informal: Tschüss, Ciao
"Auf Wiedersehen" in Switzerland is "written German" (Schriftdeutsch) while in dialect it is Adieu or UfWiderluäge.
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