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Obligatory French at primary school

I read today that in Kanton Luzern it has been suggested that primary school kids have 3 obligatory hours of French per week instead of two, in addition to three hours of English. Does it really make sense for primary school kids to have to learn two foreign languages? Surely the second language should be optional? How is the situation in other Kantons?
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Old 14.11.2012, 09:17
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Re: Obligatory French at primary school

In addition to the native Italian, French and (later) also German in primary, plus English in secondary.

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Old 14.11.2012, 09:45
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In addition to the native Italian, French and (later) also German in primary, plus English in secondary.

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so kids in Ticino don't learn English until secondary?
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so kids in Ticino don't learn English until secondary?
Yes.

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Re: Obligatory French at primary school

In Kanton Jura, kids learn german in primary school since the 5th HARMOS (3th with the old system).
We learn english since the secondary school, so this mean since the 9th HARMOS (or 7th with the old system).
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Re: Obligatory French at primary school

In Neuchâtel the kids learn German from 3rd primary(not sure if it's 3rd or 5th Harmos) and English from 9th Harmos (7th in the old system). Starting from next year they will intoduce English in 5th Primary so a couple of years after they start German.
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Re: Obligatory French at primary school

In Fribourg, they start German in primary 3 and English in primary 5 (I think). Introduced this year or last, I don't recall exactly.

I think it's a great thing to start multiple language so young, children have an amazing capacity for language acquisition, irrrespective of their apparent academic ability.
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Re: Obligatory French at primary school

I'm surprised that English isn't the first foreign language kids learn in primary school, it is of far more use in later life than either French or German.
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I'm surprised that English isn't the first foreign language kids learn in primary school, it is of far more use in later life than either French or German.
Not for everybody it isn't.
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I'm surprised that English isn't the first foreign language kids learn in primary school, it is of far more use in later life than either French or German.
This might be the reason for it: "Schweiz, Suisse, Svizzera!"
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Re: Obligatory French at primary school

English is the first foreign language learned in primary schools in KT Zurich.

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Re: Obligatory French at primary school

English is a dull boring language no one should suffer to have to learn it lol, im from Vancouver Canada and I am just one of the unlucky ones to have to have it for my mother language. lol that being said once I learn German fluently and whatever other language after that, I probably will rarely speak English again unless its to family back home.

But I just am way more interested in other cultures, countries and languages than my own. And I don't know if its obligatory or mandatory but I do think its mandatory because it is an official language of Canada. Personally I didn't learn it for some reason. oO
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Not for everybody it isn't.
true, but in the private sector at least, you will see far more job ads which require English rather than French or German. When I was looking for a job in Geneva, I saw many job ads which stipulated English as a must and German as a nice to have. I don't recall any ads in the Deutschschweiz which require French.
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I'm surprised that English isn't the first foreign language kids learn in primary school, it is of far more use in later life than either French or German.
It is the first foreign language they learn. French, German, Italian and Romansch are all Swiss languages and therefore they are learning another of their home country languages as well as the "foreign" English.

Here in Fribourg canton it's useful to be able to speak both French and German as the canton straddles the French and German speaking regions. You will often here people switching from one to the other in stores, restaurants, etc, because some clients will speak French while others will use German.
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It is the first foreign language they learn. French, German, Italian and Romansch are all Swiss languages and therefore they are learning another of their home country languages as well as the "foreign" English.

Here in Fribourg canton it's useful to be able to speak both French and German as the canton straddles the French and German speaking regions. You will often here people switching from one to the other in stores, restaurants, etc, because some clients will speak French while others will use German.
In Bern it's the same. In Biel/Bienne you frequently run into French and German speaking people.
To me there's one huge advantage in learning French as first language (from the 3rd grade) and for two years longer than English: Due to the very similar grammar you get quite a good base for Italian, Spanish and Portuguese
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Re: Obligatory French at primary school

French is also helpful for many countries in Africa, and also some Asian countries (Cambodia).
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French is also helpful for many countries in Africa, and also some Asian countries (Cambodia).
reasons for providing French as an option but should it be obligatory?
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true, but in the private sector at least, you will see far more job ads which require English rather than French or German. When I was looking for a job in Geneva, I saw many job ads which stipulated English as a must and German as a nice to have. I don't recall any ads in the Deutschschweiz which require French.
But the majority of Swiss (and Switzerland-resident) kids will never aspire to the type of job ads you are looking at, will they? Most will end up on apprenticeship schemes, and many will leave school without even that.
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But the majority of Swiss (and Switzerland-resident) kids will never aspire to the type of job ads you are looking at, will they? Most will end up on apprenticeship schemes, and many will leave school without even that.
even less reason for obligatory learning of a second foreign language I would have thought.
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But the majority of Swiss (and Switzerland-resident) kids will never aspire to the type of job ads you are looking at, will they? Most will end up on apprenticeship schemes, and many will leave school without even that.
Interestingly here in Neuchâtel the kids who are in the lowest of the three streams in 9th (harmos) ie the ones destined to do aprenticeships drop the German but they do start English as a foreign language instead.
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