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Re: "American English" or "English English" in a job application

Apply to American companies with US English. Best to use it everywhere. However, I'm not sure non-native English speakers really differentiate both. Most important that you don't have too strong an accent (say Liverpool or Texas).
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Thankfully proofreading is not my job, just a "perk" of being a native speaker. I never said I was any good at it
Thanks goodness for that, as your syntax is rather questionable at times.
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Good God! It's bad enough that Americans don't use the language properly, without everyone else following suit!

If you're writing in English, use English spellings!

[Rant]Lump together a country of 300+ million as idiots? Nice! "Hating on" Americans and the USA seems to be the convenient easy route, the popular thing to do these days. It's amusing that with so many expats here there is such pretense and pedanticism, people conveniently forgetting from where they come and acting more Swiss than the Swiss, treating all others as uneducated unpolished unsophisticated Ausländer. The Manhattan effect, transplants who grew up in farm towns in the middle of nowhere acting after not so long that they're "from" New York and superior to tourists and the Bridge and Tunnel crowd.

The difference between American English and British English is not significant as so many assume. It is largely a matter of specific terminologies. I know, as my mother's side are products of the British system. I have heard many Canadians whose English is no different from Americans'. Yes there are many "mall-talking" American youth who simply fail to enunciate and know nothing of proper grammar. The world see reality tv and tv shows and assume that all Americans' English is like that. There are educated Americans who use proper grammar, enunciate, and have essentially no accent. There are Brits who use poor grammar, do not enunciate, and have rather strong accents many consider the undesirable kind. And then there are Brits who use proper grammar, enunciate, and have very little of any kind of accent. Do not tell me or think for a second that there are no Aussies, New Zealanders, Irish, or Canadians whose English skills are rather poor, or that all Swiss (or insert nationality here) are well-educated, sophisticated, etc.

The US is a prominent industrialized country, and an easy target. People like to show how, "Oh look __% of American youth do not know who their president is." Americans are partly to blame for their image. There is the cliché of American youth going off to study abroad during university, or backpacking through Europe after completing their studies, and these youth, often enough the children of the wealthy, blindly come to believe, "Everything is better in Europe," and "America sucks man, we totally suck."

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[Rant]Lump together a country of 300+ million as idiots? Nice! "Hating on" Americans and the USA seems to be the convenient easy route, the popular thing to do these days. It's amusing that with so many expats here there is such pretense and pedanticism, people conveniently forgetting from where they come and acting more Swiss than the Swiss, treating all others as uneducated unpolished unsophisticated Ausländer. The Manhattan effect, transplants who grew up in farm towns in the middle of nowhere acting after not so long that they're "from" New York and superior to tourists and the Bridge and Tunnel crowd.

The difference between American English and British English is not significant as so many assume. It is largely a matter of specific terminologies. I know, as my mother's side are products of the British system. I have heard many Canadians whose English is no different from Americans'. Yes there are many "mall-talking" American youth who simply fail to enunciate and know nothing of proper grammar. The world see reality tv and tv shows and assume that all Americans' English is like that. There are educated Americans who use proper grammar, enunciate, and have essentially no accent. There are Brits who use poor grammar, do not enunciate, and have rather strong accents many consider the undesirable kind. And then there are Brits who use proper grammar, enunciate, and have very little of any kind of accent. Do not tell me or think for a second that there are no Aussies, New Zealanders, Irish, or Canadians whose English skills are rather poor, or that all Swiss (or insert nationality here) are well-educated, sophisticated, etc.

The US is a prominent industrialized industrialised country, and an easy target. People like to show how, "Oh look __% of American youth do not know who their president is." Americans are partly to blame for their image. There is the cliché of American youth going off to study abroad during university, or backpacking through Europe after completing their studies, and these youth, often enough the children of the wealthy, blindly come to believe, "Everything is better in Europe," and "America sucks man, we totally suck."


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There are Brits who use poor grammar, do not enunciate, and have rather strong accents many consider the undesirable kind. And then there are Brits who use proper grammar, enunciate, and have very little of any kind of accent.
... and then there are Brits who use correct grammar, are perfectly capable of correct enunciation yet still have strong accents, of which we are rather proud.

So goo an boil yer 'ed!
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... and then there are Brits who use correct grammar, are perfectly capable of correct enunciation yet still have strong accents, of which we are rather proud.

So goo an boil yer 'ed!

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Thanks goodness for that, as your syntax is rather questionable at times.
Thanks goodness indeed
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That's the only bit you could find in that whole rant that needed correcting?!?!!










pedanticism --> pedantry
from where --> whence (otherwise simply where ... from)
significant as so many assume --> as significant as so many assume
the world see ... and assume --> the world sees ... and assumes
people like to show how, --> people like to show that


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That's the only bit you could find in that whole rant that needed correcting?!?!!










pedanticism --> pedantry
from where --> whence (otherwise simply where ... from)
significant as so many assume --> as significant as so many assume
the world see ... and assume --> the world sees ... and assumes
people like to show how, --> people like to show that


Just sayin', like.

"Pedanticism" and "pedantry" are both legitimate.

"from where" is also legitimate, unless you insist on using Shakespearean English e.g. "...whence."

"significant..." I was saying that it (the difference) is not significant, not that it is significant but just not so significant as so many assume.

In the context I meant (and think in all fairness that I implied) the people who make up the world.

The last point I concede to you. In that case "that" is more correct than "how."


That's it for me. I have never claimed that I never make mistakes, though when I do make mistakes and either recognize my own mistakes or am informed of my mistakes, I strive to learn from those mistakes and avoid making the same mistakes going forward.

If you wish to be pedantic be my guest. I have no desire to join you in being pedantic.


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Re: "American English" or "English English" in a job application

There also surely are some educated and sophisticated American travelling youths, like, who don't do mall-speak... Just sayin'.

I know quite a few.

Cmon, stereotyping is silly, so is trying to one up anyone or judge based on a few mistakes. One can miss a message from too close up.

People will always try to wind up somebody...why respond to an obvious trolling bait.
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Stereotyping is fun!
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Can be. It is natural.

When I covered some lit on communicational patterns and cliches etc., it was fun. To complain about the youth seemed to be one of the most used loci communes.

What brda said (actually a Czech family name, hm) about young Yanks spoiling it for others, I wish people phased that out (just like I phase out that weirdo vaccuming the street and pavement in front of my house).
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...What brda said (actually a Czech family name, hm)...

No Czech ancestry here not that I would complain
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No Czech ancestry here not that I would complain
Ha!

Hahahah...

Anyways. Some of most open minded, inspirational and courageous people I've met are my US friends. They speak fine.
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Re: "American English" or "English English" in a job application

Accents were another topic I enjoyed studying. I have my personal favs But I think each and every one of them has it's own charm

It's interesting to me that some people mention the Canadian accent, because I YouTubed it and I don't think I could distinguish it from North American, not with confidence anyway. I can hear the difference in NY accent and I can hear the Louisiana southern accent. But that's pretty much it...

I wonder if it's the same the other way around; my husband and I have different accents, to most British people quite distinctively. I wonder if non-British people can tell the difference though!

I dread to think what my accent is going to sound like to Swiss folk when I have a bash at their dialect
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Ha!

Hahahah...

Anyways. Some of most open minded, inspirational and courageous people I've met are my US friends. They speak fine.

I wholeheartedly agree!
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Most people (myself included) cannot tell the difference between an American and Canadian accent. There are strong Canadian accents, such as those which are made fun of in popular media, however you generally have to travel a bit into the country, away from the cities.

The Golden Horseshoe Canadian (Toronto area) is generally impossible to distiguish from the Amercican English the rest of the world hear from american TV shows, News and movies (unless the character has a specific accent).

However the moment you cross the border to Buffalo or Detroit, you will hear a distinct American accent/slang--That has always shocked me.
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Most people (myself included) cannot tell the difference between an American and Canadian accent. There are strong Canadian accents, such as those which are made fun of in popular media, however you generally have to travel a bit into the country, away from the cities.

The Golden Horseshoe Canadian (Toronto area) is generally impossible to distiguish from the Amercican English the rest of the world hear from american TV shows, News and movies (unless the character has a specific accent).

However the moment you cross the border to Buffalo or Detroit, you will hear a distinct American accent/slang--That has always shocked me.
Just listen to the "ou" sound in words like "out" or "about". It's not as bad as they make it out in Southpark, obviously, but it's very noticeable.
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Just listen to the "ou" sound in words like "out" or "about". It's not as bad as they make it out in Southpark, obviously, but it's very noticeable.
This is exactly what I'm referring to. In the southern ontario region (essentially almost half of the Canadian population) one would essentially never hear the 'oot' sound of "ou". I was almost in my 20s before I realized what was meant by that joke, and to date have only met or heard a half full of people who do speak with that pronunciation.

As mentioned above, in the smaller towns and villages, it is a bit more common, but I would not include it in the general Canadian accent. More of a running gag for fun.

Back on topic, we do use the UK spelling though, so things get confusing there as well :P
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This is exactly what I'm referring to. In the southern ontario region (essentially almost half of the Canadian population) one would essentially never hear the 'oot' sound of "ou".
I'd have to disagree - I spend quite some time in Toronto (I have relatives there). While there may be other areas of Canada where that particular sound is stronger, it's still very clearly present if you concentrate on it. Then again, I studied dialectology and sociolinguistics and actually do routinely concentrate on linguistic markers. That said, Toronto is a hugely divers city and unless you know that someone actually grew up there, it's hard to judge where people are from.
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