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Re: Rumantsch

Thought about it when we first got here , but changed our minds when we found out it was quite a difficult language to learn . Not many people even speak it outside of Graubünden , I don't think . Good luck .
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Well , I am not fluent in French , unfortunately , so it meant I would have had to learn from scratch .... Opted for Swiss german instead since I was living in Zürich .
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Re: Rumantsch

Ma che vosch far, contra il vent non posch pischar!

But what can you do, you can't pi$$ in the wind!


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Re: Rumantsch

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Ma che vosch far, contra il vent non posch pischar!

But what can you do, you can't pi$$ in the wind!


some of these censorships are crazy, is it really that bad of a word
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I am new here, and was reading your messages about the Rumtasch. I live in the US, but my family all comes from the border of Switzerland and Italy, in the Alpine regions at the northern tip of lake como, just below the Engiadina where the Val Bregaglia and Valtelina all come together just at the top above Lake Como. Sul cred che'l fess bel un plaz per vive. (just think what a beautiful place to live). My family is there, but I was born in the US, that's why I'm here for a few more years. We speak Alpine dialects that are not perfect exact for Ticinese/Lombardese, Puter/Vallader idoms da Rumantsch, or Ladin. I found a website that has the Lord's Prayer in hundreds of languages. I found that what I speak is not a perfect match for any of them, but I have elements of Lombardese, Puter Rumantsch, and Ladin. Geographically, I would guess that I should be speaking an Alpine version of Lombardese, but I listen to RTR Radio and Television Rumantsch, and it has many, many words that are the same. I have a difficult time understanding Italian, but when I listen to Ladin on the internet, it's not too hard for me. Rumantsch really depends on the idiom they use. The unified Rumantsch is more difficult for me than reading my Puter Bible, but again, even that is not a perfect match. I visited the Lia Rumantsch. The lady said I sound like a mix dialect, and that there might be others who know better what it is. She said it was close to Ladin. I don't know if she meant the way that the Swiss use Ladin to mean Puter/Vallader, or if she meant the Ladin that is used in the area just east of the Lombardia part where my family lives. I also visisted the Institute di Diolectolagia in the Ticino (My Italian spelling is terrible, please excuse me). When I read their language, it felt like I was reading Italian mostly, with the vowels removed at the end of words, but not much in the way of special or different words that I would use in my language. For example... I think for "good day" they listed it as nearly the same as Italian, and good night as "bona nota/note). In my dialect/language I would say "Bun Di" for Good Day, and "Bun Notch" for Good Night.

There are many other words in my language that are different than Italian, such as Nienta, I would say "Nagut". For thank you, I think Italians say "Grazzi" or "Mille Grazzi" for Thank you Very Much.... (Please excuse my terrible spelling of your language.....) In my language, I would say "Grazia Fitch", or Grazia Fess", or something like that. The Italian word for Today (oggi), we would say something like (Inco) or (Incoue), and for the Italian word where "Dove", we would say either "Indue" or "d'nua".

I have had NO formal training in the language. I just learned to speak what limited vocabulary I have from my mom and her side of the family, grand/greatgrand parents passed the language down, and brought it here to the US. My grandmom knew a few different ways to express things.... one with the occasional "S" at the ends of words, and the other way more like the Italian with an "I" to make it plural/more than one. The Italian "touti il due", we would say it as "tuts dus", or my friends, "mes amis" - examples of when we need to use the "S" at the ends of words, which is not always the case. Also, some of our words change the initial "C" to a "CH" sound. In Italian "call" sounds phonetically like "ki am ah". For us, it would sound like "Ch-i am ah". Same thing with "old". Italian sounds like "vek i oh". We say it like "vetsch". I think we spell it Vegle or Vecc. I am not sure. Italian "Noi Abiamo" becomes "Nun(s) Avaim/Avem" It depends on the accent. One great grand parent spoke slightly different accent, but mostly the same words. There are those words that we do cut off the ending, like the Italian "Gata" becomes "Gat".
Anyway, if anyone has any idea of what it is that I speak, I'd love to know. It has some aspects of Lombardese, Ladin, and Puter, but I'm not sure what it is. It's also confusing because I knew more than one way that's considered acceptable in my family to spell or pronounce things.... Anyway, I wish you all the very best,
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Re: Rumantsch

Hi again Dorio,
Glad you have found a kindred spirit!
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Well, this evening I had to pop over to my new school (as from August) to drop off some documents, and jumped onto a train heading south-east from Zurich.

Once I had purchased a cold beer and a bag of salty potato crisps from the very nice Serbian gentleman in the buffet car, I realised that the train upon which I was sitting did not stop until Sargans.

With a sigh, I realised that there was nothing to do but get horribly drunk on not-so-cheap beer and dodgy paella.

I have to report that the paella was fine (although I'm not sure that one bit of chicken and a single mussell constitutes a paella, wherever it might be served), and the beer plentiful, if not cheap, and that, by the time I'd reached the Rumantsch speaking parts of the world, I was well stewed.

Suffice to say that, lack-of-Rumantsch-speakers notwithstanding, it was a very pleasant trip, and I can think of worse ways to waste a GA, should one be astute (or fortunate) enough to own one.

On retrospect, this is apropos strictly nothing on this thread, but I thought I'd share anyway, being wonderful as I am...

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Re: Rumantsch

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Well, this evening I had to pop over to my new school (as from August) to drop off some documents, and jumped onto a train heading south-east from Zurich.

Once I had purchased a cold beer and a bag of salty potato crisps from the very nice Serbian gentleman in the buffet car, I realised that the train upon which I was sitting did not stop until Sargans.

With a sigh, I realised that there was nothing to do but get horribly drunk on not-so-cheap beer and dodgy paella.

I have to report that the paella was fine (although I'm not sure that one bit of chicken and a single mussell constitutes a paella, wherever it might be served), and the beer plentiful, if not cheap, and that, by the time I'd reached the Rumantsch speaking parts of the world, I was well stewed.

Suffice to say that, lack-of-Rumantsch-speakers notwithstanding, it was a very pleasant trip, and I can think of worse ways to waste a GA, should one be astute (or fortunate) enough to own one.

On retrospect, this is apropos strictly nothing on this thread, but I thought I'd share anyway, being wonderful as I am...

do you work for the SBB? I might go purchase the GA tomorrow, sounds like a world of fun and adventure.
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Well, I got home, ****ed as I was, if that's any kind of encouragement.

The card provides for a great deal of comfort, if not rationality, in one's life...

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BTW, Sargans is still in the German speaking area of Switzerland.
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I know.

But the beer was still cold, and the nice Serbian gentleman said I could stay on the train at Chur for the turnaround, so I was quite happy.
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Re: Rumantsch

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But the beer was still cold, and the nice Serbian gentleman said I could stay on the train at Chur for the turnaround, so I was quite happy.
Ah, and hence your entry into the land of the Romansh speakers. It all makes sense now.
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Indeed.

Mind, I was drinking Heineken rather than Calanda, so I had to keep my head down...
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Re: Rumantsch

As an occasional visitor at present with no specific need to learn a particular language, I have looked at all the languages. I am trying to hopefully pick up a few words and phrases so that I don't seem like a total idiot on my travels.

The first conclusion that I came to, is that the language varies so much across Switzerland. If you opt for one language, English is the most universal, or is this just me being lazy!

Romansh seems to be a world apart from the neighbouring languages, not quite Italian but with traces of German and more, I'm sure. Although it is one of the four official languages, there are several non-native languages that are more widely spoken.

Just comparing a few words and phrases shows the significant differences in the languages, and that is before you include the dialects.

http://www.about.ch/culture/language...n_phrases.html A selection of words and phrases in the various languages

http://www.swissinfo.org/eng/special...siteSect=21020 The Graubunden Maps link here explains how the different languages developed.
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Re: Rumantsch

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Mind, I was drinking Heineken rather than Calanda, so I had to keep my head down...
No need to keep your head down. If you'd have taken the next train to Ilanz you'd have seen that the brewery has a big Heineken sign on it now.
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Old 19.05.2008, 23:33
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Longbyt:
Thanks for directing me to this particular section of the system. It is the best and most appropriate place for such discussions.
Thanks again,
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I never got that far. Much as I love adventure, at some point those documents really do need to get to Pfaffikon, SZ...
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