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Simon81 04.01.2015 19:06

why use "sind" here?
 
Why we say
" Es sind 76 Kilometer bis nach Rom."
instead of "Es ist 76 Kilometer bis nach Rom." ?

Thank you.

Belgianmum 04.01.2015 19:16

Re: why use "sind" here?
 
Probably for the same reason that we would say

There are 76 km to Rome ( between here and Rome actually sounds better IMO)
and not
There is 76 km to Rome

In English.

lucy_who 04.01.2015 19:21

Re: why use "sind" here?
 
In English, you'd normally say "it is 76 kilometres to Rome".

Dechen01 04.01.2015 19:25

Re: why use "sind" here?
 
Because 76 km is more than 1 km - so it's plural.

es ist 1 km bis nach …
es sind 2+ km bis nach …

st2lemans 04.01.2015 19:25

Re: why use "sind" here?
 
The Italian also translates to 'there are'.

Tom

AbFab 04.01.2015 19:28

Re: why use "sind" here?
 
And it's more than 76km to Rome while we're correcting stuff...

Pancakes 04.01.2015 19:51

Re: why use "sind" here?
 
Curiously, could you also say:

"Es gibt 76 Kilometer bis nach Rom?"

I'm trying to get a free German lesson here. :p

3Wishes 04.01.2015 20:03

Re: why use "sind" here?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pancakes (Post 2311516)
Curiously, could you also say:

"Es gibt 76 Kilometer bis nach Rom?"

I'm trying to get a free German lesson here. :p

We often used "es gibt" for "there are" in my Migroschule class, so I would say yes at least in some circumstances...just don't ask me what those are. :)

Belgianmum 04.01.2015 20:05

Re: why use "sind" here?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 3Wishes (Post 2311522)
We often used "es gibt" for "there are" in my Migroschule class, so I would say yes at least in some circumstances...just don't ask me what those are. :)

Yes 'es gibt' usually means there is or there are so I think it would be perfectly acceptable to use it in this context.

Dechen01 04.01.2015 20:09

Re: why use "sind" here?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pancakes (Post 2311516)
Curiously, could you also say:

"Es gibt 76 Kilometer bis nach Rom?"

I'm trying to get a free German lesson here. :p

I took several attempts trying to explain… also browsed the internet for answers. Nothing found there unfortunately.
Well, fact is you can't say: Es gibt 76 km bis nach Rom.

'Es gibt' means more like 'there exist'. You can't say there exist 76 km to Rome, can you? Maybe in certain situations?

odi 04.01.2015 20:31

Re: why use "sind" here?
 
No, "es gibt 76 km bis nach Rom" doesn't sound right. I can't really explain why (I'm a native speaker, so I don't know the rules)...

es gibt = there exists: that's correct, but would you say "there exist xy km to Rome"?

Dechen01's answer is the best, for 1 km you can say "es ist", for more than 1 km it is "es sind". Like

- Es sind 50 Meter vom Parkplatz bis zur Haustür
- Es sind 200 km von Fribourg bis nach Zürich

Pancakes 04.01.2015 20:33

Re: why use "sind" here?
 
Okay, I just asked my Swiss husband, and he said no, you shouldn't say "Es gibt 76..." -- only "Es sind...".

I asked him why you couldn't say "Es gibt...", but he said he couldn't really explain. :msncrazy:

cannut 04.01.2015 20:50

Re: why use "sind" here?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pancakes (Post 2311547)
Okay, I just asked my Swiss husband, and he said no, you shouldn't say "Es gibt 76..." -- only "Es sind...".

I asked him why you couldn't say "Es gibt...", but he said he couldn't really explain. :msncrazy:


Till Faltrands proper explanation ,you can tell your husband *Es gibt nichts zu essen ,unteranderm " :msnblush::msntongue:

Simon81 04.01.2015 21:01

Re: why use "sind" here?
 
Thank you all! Happy new year!

3Wishes 04.01.2015 21:12

Re: why use "sind" here?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pancakes (Post 2311547)
Okay, I just asked my Swiss husband, and he said no, you shouldn't say "Es gibt 76..." -- only "Es sind...".

I asked him why you couldn't say "Es gibt...", but he said he couldn't really explain. :msncrazy:

My Swiss hubby concurs. Thankfully folks here are very forgiving, in my experience. If I used es gibt in this context, most people would know what I meant and continue on. I just wish more people would (politely) correct me when I say something totally wrong. I often know I am probably making a mistake with choice of words or word order. How am I ever supposed to get it right if you never tell me I messed up and how to fix it?:confused:

Dechen01 04.01.2015 21:15

Re: why use "sind" here?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 3Wishes (Post 2311574)
My Swiss hubby concurs. Thankfully folks here are very forgiving, in my experience. If I used es gibt in this context, most people would know what I meant and continue on. I just wish more people would (politely) correct me when I say something totally wrong. I often know I am probably making a mistake with choice of words or word order. How am I ever supposed to get it right if you never tell me I messed up and how to fix it?:confused:

:)

Wollishofener 04.01.2015 21:32

Re: why use "sind" here?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Simon81 (Post 2311482)
Why we say
" Es sind 76 Kilometer bis nach Rom."
instead of "Es ist 76 Kilometer bis nach Rom." ?

Thank you.


singular against plural
= es ist EIN Kilometer bis nach Rom
= es sind VIELE Kilometer bis nach Rom

Wollishofener 04.01.2015 21:35

Re: why use "sind" here?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pancakes (Post 2311516)
Curiously, could you also say:

"Es gibt 76 Kilometer bis nach Rom?"

I'm trying to get a free German lesson here. :p


No, clearly negative. Es gibt Autobahnen zwischen hier und Rom
but NOT Kilometer

daffy99 04.01.2015 21:37

Re: why use "sind" here?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Simon81 (Post 2311482)
Why we say
" Es sind 76 Kilometer bis nach Rom."
instead of "Es ist 76 Kilometer bis nach Rom." ?

Thank you.

Try the native language[*]: 'sch hät 76 km uff Rom

That works in both singular and plural.
[*] Buyer beware - non-native speaker ;)

Wollishofener 04.01.2015 21:38

Re: why use "sind" here?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pancakes (Post 2311547)
Okay, I just asked my Swiss husband, and he said no, you shouldn't say "Es gibt 76..." -- only "Es sind...".

I asked him why you couldn't say "Es gibt...", but he said he couldn't really explain. :msncrazy:


I can help your husband. ""Es gibt"" requires an indefinite plural, and not a specific number of any kind


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