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You've been too long in southern Germany

I must admit that Obst/Früchte actually won't always be used the same way although it designs the same thing/object. Obst und Gemüse belong together, one would not say *Früchte und Gemüse. And it's Früchte tragen, never *Obst tragen. Expressions are set. And I would say that Früchte always gives the image of a bunch of single fruits, whereas Obst is collective.

The difference between Orange and Apfelsine is a question of level of language: the more colloquial the situation, the more likely you are to use Orange. Even in the north. If you speak gepflegtes Deutsch, you avoid it and prefer Apfelsine.
Are you a native German speaker? Where from? I don't think your last sentence is correct.
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well it ties in with this topic
I have written many moons ago several 'lexcions' for my now 'late' yahoo swiss cookery group this is the one about fruits and nuts and how they are called from english over french to high and swiss german

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?k...ViV6gImHKNu4OQ
I second the thanks for sharing that list.

A "swiss cookery group" sounds very cool. After watching me struggle and swear over my marginal Rösti skills, Mrs. Texaner recently told me to just buy a ticket and go learn from a Swiss and be done with it.
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Warst du ein Teil der "Gruppe" in Dallas?
Now you are scaring me ... I think I remember some of the folks in "die Gruppe" ... but even though we are a German-Austrian-American mish-mash family, we never hung out with the expats ... stuck with the local yokel rednecks instead ... and I is one.
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...I would say that Früchte always gives the image of a bunch of single fruits, whereas Obst is collective...
For some clarification, does that mean "Früchte always gives the image of a bunch of single different fruits" (i.e., an assortment?), while "Obst is collective" of the same fruit?
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For some clarification, does that mean "Früchte always gives the image of a bunch of single different fruits" (i.e., an assortment?), while "Obst is collective" of the same fruit?
No ... Obst could also be collective for different fruit. "Ich esse viel Obst." means "I eat a lot of fruit." A "fruit basket" in German is typically an "Obstkorb" even you could also call it a "Früchtekorb."

"Obst" cannot be counted, like butter, there is not 1 or 2 or 3.

"Frucht" can be counted.
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Obstgemüse is a very rare expression, the counterpart to Früchte and Obst is Gemüse (vegetables). I think the rule of thumb is that fruits are sweet and vegetables often eaten with salt, with no biological definition behind it.
Apropos of virtually nothing save pedantic curiousity, the U.S. Supreme Court agreed with you, more than a hundred years ago. http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/script...=149&invol=304

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Now you are scaring me ... I think I remember some of the folks in "die Gruppe" ... but even though we are a German-Austrian-American mish-mash family, we never hung out with the expats ... stuck with the local yokel rednecks instead ... and I is one.

It is good to know that you are using proper Texas grammar "I is one"
You apparently have earned your boots.

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Re: (German) difference between obst & fruchte?

I am a native German from Northern Germany (Hamburg area) and until reading this thread had never before heard of or used the term Obstgemüse. However, we used the words Apfelsine, Clementine and Mandarine as children, which all refer to different orange-colored citrus fruit. Nowadays, I do not use the word Apfelsine (would call it an Orange) anymore and neither do I call a Grapefruit Pampelmuse, which I did as a child too. It could be because the times have changed and the terms have become old-fashioned or because I have not lived in Germany for 15 years and absorbed vocabulary from other languages like French and English and use them in German.

As to the differences between Obst and Früchte, I used the terms like this: When buying local produce at a local farmers market, I would buy Obst, when shopping for non-native products like Grapefruit, Peaches or Mangos I would call them Früchte. I do this subconsciously. I would find it odd if someone called an apple a Frucht (I'd think of it as Obst); similarly if someone called a Passionfruit or Guava Obst, I would find that odd also. This is similar to what vwlarson wrote in post 7

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