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I liked the tonality, not that I'd even know if it is considered musical or not by Brits..but people say that the Italian is musical and melodic and I don't think so. Irish accent and Scottish acccent are really neat, they occupy unusual places in a mouth for me, I'd say. Cockney is too hard.

I was in Hull.

Fern curls, eh?

I think we're often drawn to difference as being exotic. I'd agree on the Scots and Irish. Mostly.
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I'm not sure that I'd know what a Blackpool accent is, seeing you're more likely to run into a visitor than a local. Maybe I need to pay a visit off-season.

I only recently discovered (for the same reason) that Benidorm Spanish has a recognizable local accent, which sounds cool.
Lancs. But... Blackpool ish. That's no help is it! It's like a Sheffield accent being connected to but different from a Yorkshire one.

Have just googled famous people from Blackpool. Robert Smith.
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By far and away, the best way to learn any foreign language is with a sleeping dictionary
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Re: Why is it hard to learn a language as an adult?

When your livelihood depends on it then one learns a language very fast
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When your livelihood depends on it then one learns a language very fast



Quickly?


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Quickly equals fast?
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Re: Why is it hard to learn a language as an adult?

That's exactly what I did when I went to acting school in NYC. No media in German, no books, not even talking German with german speaking students. It was hard. But it did the trick. Went to Lincoln center to get my weekly books and read like mad.

I had two American roommates, that helped a lot. I read a book about the Brady bunch, they found out and made me watch those series, they treated me to peanut butter sandwiches and instructed me on Americana. As I went to speech training, my English got much better.

Only relief was listening to orthodox rabbis on the radio :-) I did understand almost all, even if I'm not jewish and don't really know jiddish. It didn't count it as cheating...

Once in a full moon, I allowed myself to talk German to Rika and Sylvia in a coffee shop called "Tea and Sympathy" and we always
ate welsh rarebits.

It paid off. We stayed friends. Rika is now married to an American - Sylvia, too, she won the green card - and Rika is now working as a flight attendant and will visit me next week in Zürich.

I guess we will talk in German-American pidgin again :-)

Going to acting classes helps heaps! https://www.pfirsi.ch/kurse/

Funniest thing: My friend Lori took me to the Synagogue when she found out that my understanding of yiddish was better than hers. I felt honored. When the rabbi began with the sermon, he talked about Pope John Paul II, who had just died a day before! Being catholic, it felt really strange to get a sermon in a Synagogue about my Pope!

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That's exactly what I did when I went to acting school in NYC. No media in German, no books, not even talking German with german speaking students. It was hard. But it did the trick. Went to Lincoln center to get my weekly books and read like mad.

I had two American roommates, that helped a lot. I read a book about the Brady bunch, they found out and made me watch those series, they treated me to peanut butter sandwiches and instructed me on Americana. As I went to speech training, my English got much better.

Only relief was listening to orthodox rabbis on the radio :-) I did understand almost all, even if I'm not jewish and don't really know jiddish. It didn't count it as cheating...

Once in a full moon, I allowed myself to talk German to Rika and Sylvia in a coffee shop called Tea and Sympathy.

It paid off. We stayed friends and Rika is now married to an American and working as a flight attendant and will visit me next week in Zürich.

I guess we will talk in German-American pidgin again :-)

Going to acting classes helps heaps!
If they treated you to peanut butter sandwiches then they really accepted you. Peanut butter sandwiches are USA
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If they treated you to peanut butter sandwiches then they really accepted you. Peanut butter sandwiches are USA



If they really accepted you you'd get J as well as the PB.
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Yes, I got the jelly, too! And bananas on it! And when I went back, they gave me a Betty Crocker cookbook because I had introduced them on the Swiss Potato Dish (it's actually french) they loved so much: Gratin dauphinois! And to pumpkin soup.
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Yes, I got the jelly, too!
Then welcome to the club of the Gringos
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I think it's more difficult to learn a new language as you get older because you have to bypass logic a lot of the time. Kids and younger people are more accepting of things being just the way they are.
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The above are certainly true for me too though there are other reasons too, especially for older people. I've struggled like hell with German despite trying for years. No shortage of attempts -- courses, books, online resources, Skype calls, tandem partners, TV soap operas in German, you name it. Trouble is, if I can't see progress being made after a reasonable time, I get quite dispirited and give up. This isn't the same as 'laziness'.

If you work for an English-speaking company, speak no other non-English languages, live on your own and don't have a busy social life, it isn't easy.

From observing friends and workmates, those who have succeeded in learning German seem to fall into one or more of these categories:
  • Have a native-German-speaking partner
  • Have been unemployed and offered immersive German courses
  • Already speak other languages
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  • Have kids of school age.

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I agree that kids dive in and don't fear making fools of themselves. But I think adults who have alraedy achieved ceratin goals in their lives lose that inhibition too.
That may well work for some but it's not my own experience. I can see the logic of what you say but it's just as likely to work the other way i.e. you're accustomed to being in control, in charge of your life, looked up to (etc.) which can make looking like a fool (which is how you feel, even if no one is thinking that of you) very uncomfortable.

Let's face it, short-term memory deteriorates too as you age. Just by reading about it once or twice, I learnt all sorts of crap as a kid that I still remember to this day. Ask me what I did last weekend, or what I watched on TV last night, and I'd struggle to tell you without really thinking about it. With German, some words and grammar do seem to stick e.g. the Michel Thomas stuff I listened to 9 years ago is still there, but in the main I find vocabulary really hard to memorise, as well as the gender of nouns, and the way that some verbs are conjugated. In fact, grammar in general.
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Also there is this antagonism to anything German as a hangover from 2 world wars
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Re: Why is it hard to learn a language as an adult?

Swiss German was hard to learn, Midlands English was harder. Still struggling....
For some quirky reason I noticed that Midlands English translates far better into French (Latin?) than English. Makes me wonder if it isn't an older and real language.

I really did find Swiss German difficult as an adult. I used to switch to French and Italian in Zurich with the feeble argument that I was speaking in the other national languages. Usually some kind Swiss German speaker would take pity on me and switch.
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Swiss German was hard to learn, Midlands English was harder. Still struggling....
For some quirky reason I noticed that Midlands English translates far better into French (Latin?) than English. Makes me wonder if it isn't an older and real language.

I really did find Swiss German difficult as an adult. I used to switch to French and Italian in Zurich with the feeble argument that I was speaking in the other national languages. Usually some kind Swiss German speaker would take pity on me and switch.
What do you mean by Swiss German? Swiss dialekt?
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Also there is this antagonism to anything German as a hangover from 2 world wars
Better be careful, some will claim you're implying xenophobia.
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Better be careful, according to a certain someone you're implying xenophobia.
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because adults are stupid.
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Better be careful, some will claim you're implying xenophobia.
So what if it implies xenophobia. Is it a crime for people to be afraid of other cultures or peoples or ways of life? In that case we could lock up 25 % of the population.
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I don't know what's behind all this, but if would be great if you two could stop this pointless bickering. I don't care who said what to whom, whether insulting behaviour or language was intentional, or it previous posts have been deliberately misinterpreted, and neither do 99% of readers.
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