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Old 22.08.2019, 09:13
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Glücklich

So was discussing the word 'lucky' in German with some Swiss. And they said there was no word for a 'lucky person' in German, and that "glücklich" meant happy. I knew that but i thought it also meant lucky.

then i had to check for myself :

"The word “glücklich” expresses a deeper, more permanent happiness or life-satisfaction:“Er ist eine glückliche Person.” – “He is a happy person
Contrary to what it may sound like, the word “glücklich” DOES NOT mean “lucky”. In fact (perhaps tellingly), the German language has no word for “lucky”. Germans have to use the construction “to have luck” in order to express good fortune befalling them: “Er hatte Glück als er den Jackpot gewonnen hat.” – “He was lucky when he won the jackpot.”


so is that really so? seems odd...
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Old 22.08.2019, 09:23
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Lucky person - Glückspilz
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Old 22.08.2019, 09:27
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Re: Glücklich

You're happy-go-lucky. Du bist leichtlebig.


Although I wouldn´t use that expression.


She's very happy-go-lucky. Sie ist sehr unbekümmert.
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Old 22.08.2019, 09:33
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Re: Glücklich

When I was diagnosed with breast cancer, but all the indicators were clear once the tumor was gone, my doctor said i had „Glück im Unglück“, true —- but I though that always meant luck in misfortune. And yes, I agreed with her.
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Old 22.08.2019, 09:59
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Lucky person - Glückspilz

this came up in the discussion too.


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You're happy-go-lucky. Du bist leichtlebig. Although I wouldn´t use that expression. She's very happy-go-lucky. Sie ist sehr unbekümmert.

interesting to learn this saying in DE but happy-go-lucky is not quite the same as being a lucky person...
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Old 22.08.2019, 10:37
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So was discussing the word 'lucky' in German with some Swiss. And they said there was no word for a 'lucky person' in German, and that "glücklich" meant happy. I knew that but i thought it also meant lucky.

then i had to check for myself :

"The word “glücklich” expresses a deeper, more permanent happiness or life-satisfaction:“Er ist eine glückliche Person.” – “He is a happy person
Contrary to what it may sound like, the word “glücklich” DOES NOT mean “lucky”. In fact (perhaps tellingly), the German language has no word for “lucky”. Germans have to use the construction “to have luck” in order to express good fortune befalling them: “Er hatte Glück als er den Jackpot gewonnen hat.” – “He was lucky when he won the jackpot.”


so is that really so? seems odd...
I thought Glücklich meant lucky for years until someone finally corrected me. Sigh... German is so annoying and illogical (to me) to learn.
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Old 22.08.2019, 10:51
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I thought Glücklich meant lucky for years until someone finally corrected me. Sigh... German is so annoying and illogical (to me) to learn.
'tis annoying indeed! remember that gem of "ich bin heiss/ warm vs mir ist heiss/warm. that still seems weird to me (i still say ich bin warm)
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Re: Glücklich

"glücklich" means both "happy" and "lucky" depending on how you use the word. "ein glücklicher Mensch" is a "happy person" but "ein glücklicher Sieg" is a "lucky victory" and "eine glückliche Fügung" is a lucky coincidence.
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Old 22.08.2019, 11:30
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I thought Glücklich meant lucky for years until someone finally corrected me. Sigh... German is so annoying and illogical (to me) to learn.
Yes, I did the same with "ignorant". In English, I had always taken it to mean lacking knowledge, and that was factual, but emotionally neutral.

Have you ever refurbished a car's engine?
Oh, no, I'm entirely ignorant of such things.

Can your maths teach explain relativity?
No, she's an excellent teacher, but ignorant of the more complex fields of physics.

In German, however, it carries a negative connotation, more like "ignore" in English. A person who is "ignorant" (German) does not want to know, even when they ought to, and this shows in their rude attitude. This is the case when a person at the enquiries desk can't answer the question, and won't look it up, and can't be bothered to ask colleagues and doesn't intend to serve the public.
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Old 22.08.2019, 12:04
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A person who is "ignorant" (German) does not want to know, even when they ought to, and this shows in their rude attitude.
It's has the same meaning in English too. The phrase 'Sie ist eine ignorante Kuh.' translates literally and with the same meaning in both languages and one of my Swiss friends and two German friends use it frequently when refering to a particular mutual acquaintance of ours.
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Old 22.08.2019, 13:41
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It's has the same meaning in English too.
Yes, it can have, but in English, I think, you have to indicate it with something else, in the example you gave, the insult "Kuh" (cow).

If, however, you are speaking to a very helpful government clerk who explains you all you need to know about, say, registering your car and getting the proper licences and insurances, and then you also ask her whether she happens to know what paperwork you need for your dog, but she simply doesn't know, and is sorry she can't help you about the procedures for pets, then she is - in English - ignorant about pets, but she is not "ignorant", as used in German.
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Old 22.08.2019, 13:48
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I thought Glücklich meant lucky for years until someone finally corrected me. Sigh... German is so annoying and illogical (to me) to learn.
In my German class, we had someone who, for quite a long time, thought "glücklich" meant punctual.

He had come from South America and had been lectured by his employer about ditching his concept of mañana, mañana, and had been trying hard to acculturalise, to do things the Swiss way and get to places on time. His team-leader praised him saying: "Gut, gut, jetzt glücklich."

He finally figured out that he must have left Spanish behind to go through his next language, English, to arrive at glücklich = clock-ly = punctual.
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Old 22.08.2019, 13:52
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Yes, it can have, but in English, I think, you have to indicate it with something else, in the example you gave, the insult "Kuh" (cow).

If, however, you are speaking to a very helpful government clerk who explains you all you need to know about, say, registering your car and getting the proper licences and insurances, and then you also ask her whether she happens to know what paperwork you need for your dog, but she simply doesn't know, and is sorry she can't help you about the procedures for pets, then she is - in English - ignorant about pets, but she is not "ignorant", as used in German.
I think in this instance you would need the word "ignoramus", which is a person who is just generally ignorant.
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Old 22.08.2019, 15:07
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Re: Glücklich

Two words that many German speakers get wrong in English are sensible and hardly.

She is a sensible girl (when actually they mean sensitive)

and my absolute favourite

We are hardly working (meaning, we are working very hard).

I once had a boss who wrote that in my appraisal and was perplexed when I objected, even though actually he was probably right.
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Old 22.08.2019, 16:55
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Yes, it can have, but in English, I think, you have to indicate it with something else, in the example you gave, the insult "Kuh" (cow).

If, however, you are speaking to a very helpful government clerk who explains you all you need to know about, say, registering your car and getting the proper licences and insurances, and then you also ask her whether she happens to know what paperwork you need for your dog, but she simply doesn't know, and is sorry she can't help you about the procedures for pets, then she is - in English - ignorant about pets, but she is not "ignorant", as used in German.
Where I grew up (Western Pennsylvania) - ignorant almost always was an insult. You‘re ignorant, that‘s ignorant etc was used to criticize thoughtless behavior.
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Old 22.08.2019, 17:08
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Where I grew up (Western Pennsylvania) - ignorant almost always was an insult. You‘re ignorant, that‘s ignorant etc was used to criticize thoughtless behavior.
It was in Yorkshire where I grew up too, it would never have been used in the way doropfiz outlined it above.
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Two words that many German speakers get wrong in English are sensible and hardly.

She is a sensible girl (when actually they mean sensitive)

and my absolute favourite

We are hardly working (meaning, we are working very hard).

I once had a boss who wrote that in my appraisal and was perplexed when I objected, even though actually he was probably right.
Wasn‘t sensibility formerly used in English in much the same way? For example, Jane Austen‘s “Sense and Sensibility” - Sensibility is the ability to be sensitive/feel/perceive other’s feelings.



When did sensible change to functional and practical?
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It was in Yorkshire where I grew up too, it would never have been used in the way doropfiz outlined it above.
I knew I liked Yorkshire folk!
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Actually is actually another word the German speakers use incorrectly.

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Two words that many German speakers get wrong in English are sensible and hardly.

She is a sensible girl (when actually they mean sensitive)

and my absolute favourite

We are hardly working (meaning, we are working very hard).

I once had a boss who wrote that in my appraisal and was perplexed when I objected, even though actually he was probably right.
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Actually is actually another word the German speakers use incorrectly.
French speakers do too.
Eventually is another one.
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