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I pass often by students areas and I'm just jealous how social they are, always take every spare minute to gather and buzz around. It doesn't work that way in grown up life. People have their schedules, etc.
You can have your schedule...or three, and still be communicative. People of all ages here appreciate anyone who makes a real effort, even if the language is not perfect.
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Getting through something like does wonders for your confidence and I was babbling away all afternoon in German then!
I think you do yourself a disservice. I've heard you speaking your käsedeutsch in the market, and you do so confidently and very well, so to portray yourself as struggling in German is not really true at all, and I really think you ought to be able to recognise this.
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I do fear that I am about to open myself up to a lot of groans, I am well aware I am whining and probably sounding a bit pathetic. I have got myself well and truly stuck in the 'trough of doom' so am looking for suggestions or maybe even a kick in the pants (although make it a gentle one please). I came to Zug from UK on my own for a 6 month project with no intention to ever work in CH, three years down the line am here on a permanent contract and I have a really lovely life here and a great job. I've made various attempts to learn German as it just feels plain rude being in another country and not speaking the language (I've been to Migroschule and I am currently having private tuition at my own cost) but it's just not clicking. Not helped by the fact I am in a global role for international business and we transact in English. In Zug the moment I tried speaking German ears would bleed and they would respond to me in English so I decided to be brave and move out to Kanton Schwyz to a less international area in the hope it would force me to take the German speaking more seriously ......but I am really struggling. Why am I making this so hard for myself? I have been dating a German guy for over a year and we only speak in English and he puts no effort into helping me with the German but then expects me to be a performing monkey and speak German when we go to meet his friends and family. I am crippled by this need to be perfect and feel like a total failure when people correct me or laugh at my pronunciation. Does anyone have any quick and easy pointers on how can I attack this problem from a different perspective? I don't need German for work, it's for my real life outside work. All ideas most welcome :-)
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Old 01.09.2019, 12:42
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Re: Learning German help! WARNING this post contains alot of whining)

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I think you do yourself a disservice. I've heard you speaking your käsedeutsch in the market, and you do so confidently and very well, so to portray yourself as struggling in German is not really true at all, and I really think you ought to be able to recognise this.
As I said earlier in the thread, talking about my subjects (mostly cheese and beer and numbers of course as I run a shop) I rarely have any problems, it's more day to day stuff and having conversations where I really get stuck. But thanks for the compliment, hope you make it for a beer again soon!
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Re: Learning German help! WARNING this post contains alot of whining)

Joining a local club would go a long way. One of my client contacts moved into a village in Schwyz and joined the local volunteer firefighters, something he had been involved in in his old hometown in the Midwestern US. The locals were bemused when an American turned up and explained that he was welcome to join but that they would not speak English for him. His Swiss German was excellent after a while. His Polish wife also joined something but I forget what.
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Old 01.09.2019, 21:45
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Re: Learning German help! WARNING this post contains alot of whining)

I've been taking German classes with my OH, twice a week during school term times since January 2017. I can read German well, have no problems listening to and taking down dictation in German and our tutor says my pronunciation is really good (but I think that's to do with being Scottish, we make a lot of the same noises). Husband's problem is that because he is a Software Developer the language at work is English.

Unfortunately since the first year I've struggled with nominativ, akkusativ, dativ and also word order in sentences so I'm still not speaking German to any great extent - I understand what people are saying to me, but can't seem to engage my brain when it comes to replying. The tutor has the patience of a saint and has told me at some stage there will be a jump off point and I'll just start speaking. I um and ah in class a lot when i get asked something but he tells me it's ok and just to sit and listen to him.

Just over a year ago we moved to a district in Basel that requires more knowledge of German, in Kleinbasel it was less of a problem. I do use German in the local shops as much as possible, but if I'm a bit slow I sometimes get "Englisch?" barked back at me (in particular by one woman who works in Coop!).

I just keep plugging away in the hope that one day I'll be a German speaker. On Friday I fell over in a busy street in the city centre, it was a real faceplant and I kept thinking if I had knocked myself out, maybe I would have come round in hospital speaking German (it's weird, I've had 2 minor medical procedures where I've come out of the anaesthetic speaking German)

For the record I did 4 years of French and 2 years of Latin at school and excelled at both. I'm also pretty good at learning as I really enjoy it and I was a mature undergraduate, so it irks me that I really struggle with this
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Old 02.09.2019, 18:54
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Re: Learning German help! WARNING this post contains alot of whining)

Just play this all day till you get it
https://youtu.be/7ndJbcqltQA
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Re: Learning German help! WARNING this post contains alot of whining)

Sounds like someone trying to do an early version of Madness in German lol.

I went to see Madness in Basel 2 years ago, the Swiss in the audience had no idea what to make of them

The British contingent went mental though, especially to One Step Beyond
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Re: Learning German help! WARNING this post contains alot of whining)

Don’t be afraid to make mistakes... it is inevitable if you learnt any time past the age of about 7.

Get your boyfriend to help you, especially with grammar. However, you will make mistakes but you just have to do your best.

Finally, you may have to pretend not to speak English until your German improves. When I first moved to a German-speaking country, I had almost no experience speaking to people in another language and had to get myself out of the rut. Sometimes even if I said a sentence perfectly (grammatically at least), people would switch to English. Even requests to speak in German would sometimes be ignored, so my only option was to pretend not to understand English until things got better. Now it still happens, but less frequently than before.
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Re: Learning German help! WARNING this post contains alot of whining)

Here's a lovely set of videos, to learn German.
https://www.youtube.com/user/sonniaustria/videos
Sonja Hubmann

Many are with subtitles, and she even has a series about Corona, and another set on German literature, with poems, on other videos preparation for the exams at various levels, sometimes she sings a song. She is Austrian, but is speaking High German, with very clear articulation.
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Re: Learning German hhttps://www.englelp! WARNING this post contains alot of whining)

When I arrived, some years ago, I had zero German. A neighbour's teenage daughter was learning English at school, so I did a deal - I'd teach her English, she'd teach me German. A relative success - she aced her school exams and I got to kindergarten language level.

I also did a deal with another neighbour - we'd go shopping together, and she would translate all the product names in the supermarket that I didn't know, and then I'd buy the food and we'd cook together, using a blend of Germ-lish.

I've spent time sourcing bits and pieces on ricardo.ch - and learnt a staggering number of words for things as a result.

8 years later, I am not fluent by any stretch, but can muddle my way through most day to day conversations. Grammatically I am crap but my vocab is quite good. And I've never had a local mock me for trying; in fact I've had frequent nods of approval for just giving it a go.....

I have however made some spectacular mistakes along the way, but I'm ok with laughing at myself and amusing others!!! Asking for Christmas salmon instead of Christmas lights at the hardware store, singing a very loud rendition of happy vegetable day instead of happy birthday in a crowded restaurant, seeking council permission to eat my terrace stairs instead of building a set of stairs, wanting to buy clouds to feed the birds instead of seeds...and I'm still fondly regarded by the local butchers for having to act out my need to buy a turkey to feed 20 people, when the words I had originally used apparently meant something else quite naughty....
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Re: Learning German help! WARNING this post contains alot of whining)

I think a lot of it is about confidence. My hairdresser is Italian, his German is a lot better than mine and he speaks no English. I manage to communicate with him in German plus a few Italian words thrown in and he says he understands me
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well English is after all a Germanic language. Which helps
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Re: Learning German help! WARNING this post contains alot of whining)

I found that while I was enrolled in classes, I also felt the need to be perfect. I left school and realized I’d never use it if I needed to be perfect. I’ve started speaking everywhere but especially when I’ve a captive audience, like retail or tourism.

Let go of perfection!
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Let go of perfection!
Absolutely. I did find that Switzerland allows this a bit more, given the variety of pronunciation and indeed grammatical differences of the various flavours. For me the first real breakthrough a couple of years after I arrived was realising that in Basel you can pretty much use d' all the time instead of der die das den damn, and you'll be easily understood. Trying (and usually failing) to remember grammar rules mid-sentence had always held me back up until that point.
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Unfortunately since the first year I've struggled with nominativ, akkusativ, dativ and also word order in sentences so I'm still not speaking German to any great extent - I understand what people are saying to me, but can't seem to engage my brain when it comes to replying.
I bet you have no problems understanding what Treverus writes, even though he often uses German word order. Perhaps don't sweat it either.

(yes, the reply is a tad late, but still)
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Re: Learning German help! WARNING this post contains alot of whining)

"Fake it till you make it" works for me...

Once I spent all night, with the help of my husband (swiss), prepared a 10 minutes presentation in swiss german... I literally prepared a script, practiced many times so it sounds like it's from my head, and the next day just present my project in front of all my colleagues(was around 30-40 people!) by sometimes directly reading out the presenter notes on my keynote. It's cheating yes but you get the feeling of what it's like to speak swiss german/german in front of everyone as if you're fluent, you have to believe that you can do it by showing yourself. Surely they won't think it's embarrassing, some laughed because it was really funny, everyone's in a good mood, they didn't expect me to present in german at all! "Hoi zäma, hüt presentiere ich uf schwitzer dütsch!"
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Here's a series of short videos at different levels of German grammar and usage:
https://www.ecap.ch/Deutsch-Online
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