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omtatsat 12.02.2020 13:38

Pronunciation of " Sihlquai"
 
Strange the way they pronounce it here in Zürich. Its pronounced like Sihlgeh. In English one might say Sihlkey
I guess the " quai " is French?

Caleb 12.02.2020 13:45

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Mmm, I always say it as "sil keh" (in French it is pronounced like that, I think). And yes, quai is French for "dock".

omtatsat 12.02.2020 13:49

Re: Pronunciation of " Sihlquai"
 
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Originally Posted by Caleb (Post 3147452)
Mmm, I always say it as "sil keh" (in French it is pronounced like that, I think). And yes, quai is French for "dock".

Like this


https://www.google.com/search?q=quai...hrome&ie=UTF-8

Calvin 12.02.2020 14:40

Re: Pronunciation of " Sihlquai"
 
In the Zurich dialect "quai" is pronounced: "käh", like the "ä" in "Käfer"
In French it's pronounced "ke", so a shorter "e" vowel sound.

grumpygrapefruit 12.02.2020 14:42

Re: Pronunciation of " Sihlquai"
 
Most of my Swiss friends pronounce it Seal (or half way towards Sil) Kay - yes the quai pronounced like the French.

Ace1 12.02.2020 14:49

Re: Pronunciation of " Sihlquai"
 
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Originally Posted by omtatsat (Post 3147453)

I wouldn't like to rely on google translate as an accurate guide to pronunciation. In that case it sounds much more like a G, whereas I always thought of is as a much harder sound, almost a K, just as is so with most other French words starting with QU.

Sounds better if you use it in a sentence https://translate.google.com/#view=h...ur%20le%20quai

amogles 12.02.2020 15:17

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Originally Posted by omtatsat (Post 3147447)
Strange the way they pronounce it here in Zürich. Its pronounced like Sihlgeh. In English one might say Sihlkey
I guess the " quai " is French?

Yes, lots of French words in Swiss German, and in the past there used to be even more, but there is a tendency these days, especially among the younger generation, to susbtitute words from Hochdeutsch, which in my view is unfortunate as the peppering of French idioms gives Swiss German that certain poetry.

Mind you, some of these French words are pronounced in very un-French ways. Pneu is one that comes to mind, which in Swiss German is pronounced more like pnoy.

22 yards 12.02.2020 15:32

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Originally Posted by amogles (Post 3147512)
Mind you, some of these French words are pronounced in very un-French ways. Pneu is one that comes to mind, which in Swiss German is pronounced more like pnoy.

Depends which Swiss German -- here in Basel its p-neuh (pretty much the same as in French).

Adieu is a good one -- apart from the fact that the meaning in Swiss German is very different to that in French, here it's pronounced "ah-deh", unless you're terribly upper class, in which case it's the straight French "adieuh". The older generation sometimes uses adieu for hello as well as goodbye... quite confusing.

Ato 12.02.2020 15:34

Re: Pronunciation of " Sihlquai"
 
I've gone for something between silk-eye and seal k eye. I know nothing about writing out pronounciation of words though.

22 yards 12.02.2020 15:35

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Originally Posted by omtatsat (Post 3147447)
In English one might say Sihlkey.

Unless one is American, in which case one might say Sihlkay or even Sihlkway.

Ato 12.02.2020 15:42

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Originally Posted by Caleb (Post 3147452)
Mmm, I always say it as "sil keh" (in French it is pronounced like that, I think). And yes, quai is French for "dock".

Not the key point here I always thought quai was the french for quay.

amogles 12.02.2020 16:03

Re: Pronunciation of " Sihlquai"
 
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Originally Posted by Caleb (Post 3147452)
Mmm, I always say it as "sil keh" (in French it is pronounced like that, I think). And yes, quai is French for "dock".

Originally, obviously it is the same word.

But Sihlquai is obviously not a dock and never was. The Sihl not even being a navigable river. In this case it means waterfront or river bank (as in also Limmatquai, Utoquai etc). This actually being the older if not original meaning, which later got to also mean a dock or mooring place, as in its English meaning (quay).

The word also has a Hochdeutsch cognate in the form of Kai (pronounced ka-ee), also having this meaning.

The origin of the word, apparently, is Celtic, and it entered the French language through Norman French.

MusicChick 12.02.2020 16:09

Re: Pronunciation of " Sihlquai"
 
We mainly use "quai" here as a boarding platform.

Caleb 13.02.2020 11:30

Re: Pronunciation of " Sihlquai"
 
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Originally Posted by grumpygrapefruit (Post 3147484)
Most of my Swiss friends pronounce it Seal (or half way towards Sil) Kay - yes the quai pronounced like the French.

Oh, the bliss of having friends :D

Chemmie 13.02.2020 11:36

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I always assumed it was 'Seal Que (?)'. Maybe that's some Spanish creeping in.


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