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Where is the logic in this?

I understand why you say knife before fork, but never bring upstairs when you can take upstairs and take downstairs.

Why never bring downstairs...
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Re: Where is the logic in this?

Well my version of the English language it is perfectly acceptable to bring something downstairs.

Or are you referring to French? In Vaud French is spoken so slowly that you have probably arrived downstairs before you finish saying it.
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I understand why you say knife before fork, but never bring upstairs when you can take upstairs and take downstairs.

Why never bring downstairs...
Some pairs of words just sound archaic when used the other way around, but then some people do so deliberately to be a bit different. Or else it's an age thing. TV cook Mary Berry always says "pepper and salt" which sounds rather quaint and old-fashioned (reminds me of my Granny who would always use 'five-and-twenty') whereas "fork and knife", famously used for its comic value on the GGM 'Going for an English' sketch, just sounds like somebody who doesn't use the expression, or perhaps the implements, very often.

Bring and take are dependent on the observer's position. so if you are upstairs you would always take something downstairs or ask someone else to bring something upstairs to you. Take is movement away from the observer, bring is towards them; quite simple really.

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I understand why you say knife before fork, but never bring upstairs when you can take upstairs and take downstairs.
Why?

In my experience bring and take are also used differently regionally in the UK, with bring used much more widely in Scotland in cases where take would be used in England.
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Re: Where is the logic in this?

It depends on the context.

I would say “take that upstairs/downstairs” if I was in the same location as the person and the object.

I would say “bring that upstairs/downstairs” if I was already in the location where I wanted the object to be.
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It depends on the context.

I would say “take that upstairs/downstairs” if I was in the same location as the person and the object.

I would say “bring that upstairs/downstairs” if I was already in the location where I wanted the object to be.
Exactly. That’s how I would use them.
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Re: Where is the logic in this?

You can think of it simply as “bring an object to me” (or also “with me” if you are travelling with the object to the person). And “take it away” from me (or I take it away from you)

Bring the apple to me.
I am bringing the apple with me (towards you).

Take the apple away from me
I am taking the apple with me (away from you)
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You can think of it simply as “bring an object to me” (or also “with me” if you are travelling with the object to the person). And “take it away” from me (or I take it away from you)

Bring the apple to me.
I am bringing the apple with me (towards you).

Take the apple away from me
I am taking the apple with me (away from you)
Could it be "Can you bring this to the kitchen?" Because I'll be there in a min? (I am not there yet).

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Could it be "Can you bring this to the kitchen?" Because I'll be there in a min? (I am not there yet).

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I personally wouldn’t use bring unless I was travelling at the same time with the person I was speaking to. BUT, native speakers use things slightly differently (incorrect use of lend and borrow by native speakers really grates on me ).
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Could it be "Can you bring this to the kitchen?" Because I'll be there in a min? (I am not there yet).

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I wouldn’t use bring in this case because I’m not in the kitchen yet.

I would say «Can you take this to the kitchen, please? I’ll be there in a minute.»
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I personally wouldn’t use bring unless I was travelling at the same time with the person I was speaking to. BUT, native speakers use things slightly differently (incorrect use of lend and borrow by native speakers really grates on me ).
I am only asking since aside of the spatial aspect it feels temporal, too, sometimes.

Lend/borrow...yeah. Little things tend to grate. Prague accent grates on me. I am a Northerner.
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Re: Where is the logic in this?

Yeah i'm with the camp of :

Take this object downstairs and give it to somebody else.
Go up stairs and bring that object back down to me.
Tomorrow i will take the car to work because ...
It's the direction of transfer, Take from here to there, bring from there to here.

The only actual use case for me is bring something back to me.

i never say let's bring that with us, or I will bring my coat because its cold or I need to remember to bring a bag to coop.

Ireland uses bring much more, from Gaelic grammar .. Oh you are sick, I'll bring you to the doctor would be normal in Ireland.
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