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Old 06.01.2021, 23:00
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Re: Can I realistically become semi-fluent in Swiss German in the next three years?

After over 2 years hard slog I got up to the first bit of German B1 by December 2019 but wanted to take a 6 month break from formal classes last January as during the second half of 2019 my OH's mother died in London. I was taking a break with the plan I'd go back in the autumn, of course by then we were well into the current pandemic situation and classes had gone on to platforms like Zoom. A conversation group I joined to improve spoken German also derailed.

In the meantime I did a few free German courses with the OU but I'm now in a situation where I'm going backwards with what I learned despite using various apps like Babbel as often as I can. I've found German the most difficult thing I've ever had to try to learn and don't think I'll ever be proficient as I struggle with most things like word order, tenses etc The only thing I don't have a problem with is pronunciation so I guess that's something to sing about.

It doesn't help that I have one of those personalities that hates failure
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Old 06.01.2021, 23:02
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Re: Can I realistically become semi-fluent in Swiss German in the next three years?

depends on your personal committment and natural ability. Some people can become fluent in 3 years, others struggle a bit more, especially if they never have to use german in their daily life (work in particular, as the rest of daily tasks are really small in terms of interaction).

Passive swiss german understanding will come on its own, although using an online german-swiss german (the one relevant to your region) dictionary certainly helps. Some people go as far as doing a swiss german course (the local dialect of course) but this is not necessary to understand. It can be useful to start talking I guess.
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Re: Can I realistically become semi-fluent in Swiss German in the next three years?

learning a language is not about 'doing courses' and especially on line. They can be part of it, sure, but only a part. To learn a language you have to be out there, in the thick of it- and 'doing it' - making mistakes, laughing, picking yourself up and making them again.

If you learn anything- failure is part and parcel, and eventually, the key.
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Re: Can I realistically become semi-fluent in Swiss German in the next three years?

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I've only worked in French/German or French/Italian environments here.

Last English environment was in the US 35 years ago.

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I have absolutely no idea how you've managed to learn 3 languages fluently while holding down what sounds like a very senior job.
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Old 07.01.2021, 00:48
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After over 2 years hard slog I got up to the first bit of German B1 by December 2019 but wanted to take a 6 month break from formal classes last January as during the second half of 2019 my OH's mother died in London. I was taking a break with the plan I'd go back in the autumn, of course by then we were well into the current pandemic situation and classes had gone on to platforms like Zoom. A conversation group I joined to improve spoken German also derailed.

In the meantime I did a few free German courses with the OU but I'm now in a situation where I'm going backwards with what I learned despite using various apps like Babbel as often as I can. I've found German the most difficult thing I've ever had to try to learn and don't think I'll ever be proficient as I struggle with most things like word order, tenses etc The only thing I don't have a problem with is pronunciation so I guess that's something to sing about.

It doesn't help that I have one of those personalities that hates failure
I'm going for the B1 course in April... wish me luck! I find languages hard too. I still feel like my level isn't high enough to pitch in and have a go. Hopefully soon. Very hard with full time work and being a new parent.
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Old 07.01.2021, 02:46
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Re: Can I realistically become semi-fluent in Swiss German in the next three years?

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It is if you have kids who speak it as their primary language.

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Yes my daughter was about 11 before she spoke English to me. And even now if it’s something she feels strongly about the conversation will be in dialect.
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Re: Can I realistically become semi-fluent in Swiss German in the next three years?

I believe that the only way to learn a new language so quick is to find a "mother goose" who would be very patient to trying to understand you, talk to you a lot and encourage you to respond. The easiest way, find a partner native speaker of that language
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Re: Can I realistically become semi-fluent in Swiss German in the next three years?

I speak better Swiss German than high German, because I've been listening to it for 20 years, despite not living in the country for even half of that time period.

Best tip for learning Swiss German is to be in a romantic relationship with one...it is tricky to become fluent in the dialect, simply because it is different from canton to canton & isn't a true written language. There are Swiss-German classes however, and this will definitely help. Good luck!
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I have absolutely no idea how you've managed to learn 3 languages fluently while holding down what sounds like a very senior job.
French I knew before I came here.

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It is if you have kids who speak it as their primary language.
It is also useful just to understand what people say to you. Since I did a dialect course at GGG Basel, I've found life is much easier. I can't really speak it convincingly, but I can understand most simple interactions.
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Re: Can I realistically become semi-fluent in Swiss German in the next three years?

Tips for High German

Listen - podcasts. There are some amazing ones. My favorites are Kakadu (Kinder Podcast), SWR2 Wissen (current affair topics), Hintergrund and Hörspiel (Deutschlandfunk)

Watch - Doku - both DW and SRF. The advantage of watching on youtube is that you can pause and replay. Also daily news on TV.

Read - Anything. Gossipy stuff like 20min is easy to read. But also read labels on food, the Corona rules, books for younger people, manuals. Read anything really.

Active - All of the above needs to be done in an active way. Note down new words, use an app to update your list of words or just paper and pen. Relisten/reread. Passive learning does not work for me.

Speak - Speak up at any chance. Best speaking partners are neighbors, young kids, older people and office colleagues during lunch time.

Swiss German

As you learn High German and increase your vocabulary, you will start to hear the difference with Swiss German and start to learn those words. The accent is beyond my grasp, so I cant advice there.
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