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Regarding the word vorstellen

I was doing some German conversational practice and the iTalki teacher told me that:
Dativ vorstellen is to imagine
Akk vorstellen is to introduce

So I assume it means
Ich bin mir vorstellen. -> I imagine
Ich bin mich vorstellen -> I introduce myself

But when I type the above into Google Translate, I get "I introduce myself" for both cases.

I have noticed Google is pretty crappy for translating German, frequently mixing up words with and without umlauts. So I'm kind of guessing this is another error.

Could someone confirm the usage of the word? Much appreciated.
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Ich stelle mir vor - I imagine
Ich stelle mich vor - I introduce myself
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Re: Regarding the word vorstellen

Ich stelle mir vor -> I imagine
Ich stelle mich vor -> I introduce myself
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Re: Regarding the word vorstellen

FFS, could that language even possibly become any more difficult?
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FFS, could that language even possibly become any more difficult?
German exceptionalism
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FFS, could that language even possibly become any more difficult?
At least in CH you can wing it, most folks will understand you…
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At least in CH you can wing it, most folks will understand you…
So true. Most people here seem to be pretty relaxed about not speaking 100% correct German, which is awesome. They're also usually quite nice and tell me that my German is good, even though I know that it isn't.

The der/die/das stuff is what really gets me the most. And those nasty conjugations. I usually just "der" everything.
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Re: Regarding the word vorstellen

Thank you for the replies! Greatly appreciated!
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I was doing some German conversational practice and the iTalki teacher told me that:
Dativ vorstellen is to imagine
Akk vorstellen is to introduce

So I assume it means
Ich bin mir vorstellen. -> I imagine
Ich bin mich vorstellen -> I introduce myself

But when I type the above into Google Translate, I get "I introduce myself" for both cases.

I have noticed Google is pretty crappy for translating German, frequently mixing up words with and without umlauts. So I'm kind of guessing this is another error.

Could someone confirm the usage of the word? Much appreciated.
You have a pretty bad German teacher - I would change if I were you
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I have noticed Google is pretty crappy for translating German, frequently mixing up words with and without umlauts. So I'm kind of guessing this is another error.
I'd recommend using deepl.com for translations, in particular of sentences or paragraphs/articles.

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FFS, could that language even possibly become any more difficult?
depending on pronunciation:

etwas umfahren -> to drive around something
etwas umfahren -> to run something over
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German exceptionalism
As detailed here. The Awful German Language by Mark Twain.

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SIE, means YOU, and it means SHE, and it means HER, and it means IT, and it means THEY, and it means THEM. Think of the ragged poverty of a language which has to make one word do the work of six--and a poor little weak thing of only three letters at that. But mainly, think of the exasperation of never knowing which of these meanings the speaker is trying to convey. This explains why, whenever a person says SIE to me, I generally try to kill him, if a stranger.
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Re: Regarding the word vorstellen

Yes, German has it's peculiarities.

Pronouncing English words however isn't a piece of cake either:

The Chaos by Dr Gerard Nolst Trenité:


Dearest creature in creation
Studying English pronunciation
I shall teach you in my verse
Sounds like corpse, corps, horse, and worse.
I shall keep you, Susy, busy,
Make your head with heat grow dizzy,
Tear in eye your hair you'll tear,
Queer fair seer, hear my prayer!
Pray, console your loving poet,
Make my coat look new, dear, sew it!
Just compare heart, beard and heard,
Dies and diet, lord and word,
Sword and sward, retain and Britain
(Mind the latter, how it's written).
Made has not the sound of bade;
Say, said, pay, paid, laid but plaid.
Now I surely will not plague you
With such words as vague and ague.
But be careful how you speak,
Say gush, bush, steak, streak, break, bleak;
Previous, precious, fuchsia, via,
Recipe, pipe, studding sail, choir;
Woven, oven, how and low;
Script, receipt, shoe, poem, toe.
Hear me say, devoid of trickery:
Daughter, laughter and Terpsichore,
Typhoid, measles, topsails, ailes,
Exiles, similes, reviles,
Wholly, holly, signal, signing,
Same, examining, but mining;
Scholar, vicar and cigar,
Solar, mica, war and far.
Camel, constable, unstable,
Principle, disciple, label,
Petal, penal and canal
Wait, surmise, plait, promise, pal.
Suit, suite, ruin, circuit, conduit,
Rhyme with "shirk it" and "beyond it".
But is it not hard to tell
Why it's pal, mall, but Pall Mall.
Muscle, muscular, goal, iron,
Timber, climber, bullion, lion;
Worm and storm, chaise, chaos, chair,
Senator, spectator, mayor.
Ivy, privy, famous. Clamour
Has the "a" of drachm and hammer.
Fussy, hussy, and possess,
Desert, dessert, address
From desire - desirable, admirable from admire;
Lumber, plumber, bier but brier/briar;
Chatham, brougham, renown but known,
Knowledge, gone, but done and tone!
One, anemone, Balmoral,
Kitchen, lichen, laundry, laurel.
Gertrude, German, wind and mind,
Scene, Melpomene, mankind.
Tortoise, turquoise, chamois-leather,
Reading, Reading (the town), heathen, Heather.
This phonetic labyrinth
Gives moss, gross, brook, brooch, mirth, plinth!
Billet does not end like ballet,
Wallet, mallet, bouquet, chalet.
Blood and flood are not like good,
Nor is mould like should and would.
Bouquet is not nearly parquet,
Which most often rhymes with khaki.
Discount, viscount, load and broad;
Forward, toward, but reward.
Ricochet, croqueting, croquet.
Right! Your pronunciation's okay.
Sounded, wounded, grieve and sieve,
Friend and fiend, alive and live.
Don't forget: It's heave but heaven,
Rachel, ache, moustache, eleven
We say, hallow, but allow,
People, leopard, tow and vow.
Mark the difference, moreover,
Between, mover, plover, Dover!
Leeches, breeches, wise, precise,
Chalice, but police and lice.
Shoes, goes, does; now first say "finger";
Then say "singer, ginger, linger".
Real, seal; mauve, gauze and gauge.
Marriage, foliage, mirage, age.
Query does not rhyme with very,
Nor does fury sound like bury.
Dost, lost, post, and doth, cloth, loth/loath;
Job, Job, blossom, bosom, oath.
Say "oppugnant" but "oppugns";
Sowing, bowing. Banjo tunes
Sound in yachts or in canoes.
Puisne, truism, use, to use.
Though the difference seems little,
Do say "actual" but "victual".
Seat, sweat, earn; Leigh, light and height,
Put, pus, granite and unite.
Refer does not rhyme with deafer,
Feoffor, Kaffir, zephyr, heifer.
Dull, bull; Geoffrey, late and eight,
Hint but pint, senate, sedate.
Scenic, Arabic, Pacific,
Science, conscience, scientific.
Gas, alas, and Arkansas (the state),
Balsam, almond. You want more?
Golf, wolf; countenance; lieutenants
Host in lieu of flags left pennants.
Courier, courtier; tomb, bomb, comb;
Cow but Cowper, some and home.
Stranger does not rhyme with anger,
Neither devour with clangour.
Soul but foul, and gaunt but aunt;
Font, front, wont, want, grand and grant.
Arsenic, specific, scenic,
Relic, rhetoric, hygienic.
Gooseberry, goose, and close but close,
Paradise, rise, rose and dose.
Say inveigh, neigh, and inveigle
make the latter rhyme with eagle.
Mind! Meandering but mean,
Serpentine and magazine.
And I bet you, dear, a penny,
You say manifold like many,
Which is wrong. Say rapier, pier,
Tier (one who ties), but tier.
Arch, archangel! Pray, does erring
Rhyme with herring or with stirring?
Prison, bison, treasure-trove,
Treason, hover, cover, cove.
Perseverance, severance. Ribald
Rhymes (but piebald doesn't) with nibbled.
Phaeton, paean, gnat, ghat, gnaw
Lien, phthisis, shone, bone, pshaw.
Don't be down, my own, but rough it,
And distinguish buffet - buffet!
Brook, stood, rook, school, wool and stool,
Worcester, Boleyn, foul and ghoul.
With an accent pure and sterling
You say year, but some say yearling.
Evil, devil, mezzotint -
Mind the "z"! (a gentle hint.)
Now you need not pay attention
To such words as I don't mention:
Words like pores, pause, pours and paws
Rhyming with the pronoun "yours".
Proper names are not included,
Though I often heard, as you did,
Funny names like Glamis and Vaughan,
Ingestre, Tintagel, Strachan.
Nor, my maiden fair and comely,
Do I want to speak of Cholmondeley
Or of Froude (compared with proud
It's no better than Macleod).
Sea, idea, Guinea, area,
Psalm, Maria but malaria.
Youth, south, southern, cleanse and clean,
Doctrine, turpentine, marine.
Compare alien with Italian,
Dandelion with battalion,
Sally with ally. Yea, ye,
Eye, I, ay, aye, whey, hey, quay.
Say aver but ever, fever,
Neither, leisure, skein, receiver.
Never guess, it is not safe;
We say calves, valves, half, but Ralph.
Heron, granary, canary,
Crevice, but device and eyrie,
Face, but preface and grimace,
Phlegm, phlegmatic, ass, glass, bass,
Bass (the fish); gin, give and verging,
Ought, oust, joust, scour and scourging.
Ear but earn. Mind! Wear and tear
Do not rhyme with "here" but "ear".
Row, row, sow, sow, bow, bow, bough;
Crow but brow. Please, tell me now:
What's a slough and what's a slough?
(Make these rhyme with "cuff" and "cow").
Seven is right, but so is even,
Hyphen, roughen, nephew, Stephen.
Monkey, donkey, clerk but jerk;
Asp, grasp, wasp, demesne, cork, work.
Say serene but sirene. Psyche
must be made to rhyme with "spiky".
It's a dark abyss or tunnel,
Strewn with stones like whoop and gunwale,
Islington, but Isle of Wight,
Houswife, verdict but indict -
Don't you think so, reader, rather,
Saying gather, bather, lather?
Tell me, which rhymes with enough,
Though, through, plough, cough, lough or tough?
Hiccough has the sound of "cup" -
My advice is - give it up.
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Pronouncing English words however isn't a piece of cake either
Those who enjoyed Trenité's verse above will almost certainly appreciate this little essay on heteronyms, from a former editor of MAD Magazine: How I Wound Up with a Wound from Heteronyms (Washington Post)
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FFS, could that language even possibly become any more difficult?
Ich stehe auf der Brücke >> I'm standing on the bridge
Ich stehe voll auf diese Band >> I really like this band

Yes, it can.
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Re: Regarding the word vorstellen

who uses google translate these days?

deepl.... get with it.
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who uses google translate these days?

deepl.... get with it.
Sometimes, it's worth using both, and comparing.
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who uses google translate these days?

deepl.... get with it.
And DeepL won't study every word you type, combine that on your search history, your fitbit data and send you ads based on all of that.
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Sometimes it is the other way around though isn't it?

Wenn/Wann/Als -> When
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Yes, German has it's peculiarities.

Pronouncing English words however isn't a piece of cake either:

The Chaos by Dr Gerard Nolst Trenité:
Ahhhh... I love it! Thanks for sharing that!

After I first moved here, I tutored a Swiss guy in English for a while. He just basically wanted some help with his English before moving to the US for his new job. Seeing / learning the things that he had the most trouble with made me realize just how many things in the English language really don't make much sense. For example, many of our prepositions and the ways they're used as well as the spelling and pronunciations of past-tense words (e.g. to read / have read).

He also had a really hard time with the "th" sound, which was cute. I use to have him practice saying things like "thirty three thousand three hundred and thirty three." It reminds me of the ways I have trouble with the "ch" sound in Swiss German. He said the "th" sound was so strange to him.
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A useful resource for learning German
https://www.thoughtco.com/german-4133073
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