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Old 15.05.2009, 12:11
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[German usage] How do I use...

Hi folks, how do i use the word "gegebenenfalls"? i know what i means, but i can't seem to wrap my brain around its usage. do i need main and sub clauses? does it work in conjunction with conjuntions or require prepositions? are there similar words I should take note of (je nach dem, anhängig von)?

how does this work in a proper sentence? is it of the form:
[main clause], [conjunction] ggf [condition] or
[main clause] ggf [condition] or

seen on german trains: "ggf. freigeben"
Bitte geben Sie ihren Platz ggf. Fahrermeldungen frei ???

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Old 15.05.2009, 12:17
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Re: [German usage] How do I use...

A good resource with example phrases (see forum entries).
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Re: [German usage] How do I use...

Isn't it just "im gegebenen Fall"? I think it can be used in the Haupt and Nebensatz.

..and shortened to ggf.
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Old 15.05.2009, 12:27
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Re: [German usage] How do I use...

hmm...still kinda confusing: some people are using it as "wenn" while others use it as an unconditional relative word (ie, relative to what was discussed before). some use it as a conditional. I'm still looking for some kinda formular...
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Re: [German usage] How do I use...

My german colleague just told me that you never start a sentence with it and there is no preposition.
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Re: [German usage] How do I use...

Gegebenenfalls and "im gegebenen Fall" work the same way: "If a certain case/situation is given/applies, then..."

"Gegebenenfalls freigeben" is written near easily accessible seats for the handicapped. Other passengers may sit down but are asked to leave if a disabled person approaches. Freigeben only means to make room.
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Old 15.05.2009, 15:05
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Re: [German usage] How do I use...

I just took a look at the list of examples in this link

http://www.mydict.com/Wort/gegebenenfalls/

it would seem that "ggf" can be removed without affecting the grammatical logic of the sentence.
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Old 15.05.2009, 16:21
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Re: [German usage] How do I use...

Hm you change the meaning of the sentence or in this case order if you remove ggf (=gegebenenfalls = im gegebenen Fall)
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Re: [German usage] How do I use...

Hi! Can someone explain, why it is

a. "er und deren Famlie ist tot" and not
b. "er und seine Familie ist tot" ?

i always tot "deren" was a relative pronoun

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Hi! Can someone explain, why it is

a. "er und deren Famlie ist tot" and not
b. "er und seine Familie ist tot" ?

i always tot "deren" was a relative pronoun
a. is in Austrian German and b. is in Swiss German ...
German German would have, as Lalebe pointed out ... > sind tot, in it.
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Re: [German usage] How do I use...

sind tot (plural)
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Old 25.05.2009, 14:42
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sorry, i copied and pasted without checking, i meant to say "sind.

my problem is not with the "ist" and "sind," its with the "seine" vs "deren" situation. pourquoi??
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sorry, i copied and pasted without checking, i meant to say "sind.

my problem is not with the "ist" and "sind," its with the "seine" vs "deren" situation. pourquoi??
poor you. I don't think anyone in Switzerland cares how you say this and both would be right.

Are you doing a language course with exams and all that?
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Old 25.05.2009, 15:01
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I don't think anyone in Switzerland cares how you say this and both would be right?
LOL!!! goodness, what are you trying to say?

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Are you doing a language course with exams and all that?
i'm asking, becuz Genitiv ist Hsiang sein Tod!
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Re: [German usage] How do I use...

Mr Hsiang, see the following links:
http://forum.wordreference.com/showthread.php?t=430778
http://canoo.net/blog/2007/10/13/seiner-und-dessen/
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Old 25.05.2009, 15:14
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Sir, you are a clever man!
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Re: [German usage] How do I use...

Dessen/deren is the genitive form of the relative pronoun.
Sein/Seine iis the nominative form of the possesive pronoun.

The relative pronoun needs to refer to a substantive, so a correct use is:

Er, dessen Familie tot ist
(He, whose family is dead)

Sie, deren Familie tot ist
(She/They, whose family is dead)


Er und seine Familie sind tot
(He and his family are dead)
is correct use of the possesive pronoun.
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LOL!!! goodness, what are you trying to say?


i'm asking, becuz Genitiv ist Hsiang sein Tod!
I meant, if you say a. or b. in Swiss High German, using even the "ist" instead of "sind" , no one will notice but understand perfectly well what you mean.

... and for the Genitiv is Hsiang sein Tod, that sounds awfully dramatic but should read, Der Genitiv is Hisiang's Tod.

Time for an Ice cream, isn't it !!!
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Maybe Hsiang was referring to the linguistic books called "Der Dativ ist dem Genetiv sein Tod"?
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Maybe Hsiang was referring to the linguistic books called "Der Dativ ist dem Genetiv sein Tod"?
indeed i was! recently we've been lots of genetiv, but i'm quite lost. i asked a few friends, and no one could tell me what is "a gram of pure gold" in german :P
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