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Old 22.06.2009, 09:53
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Re: Meaning of Swiss place names

Anyone know why there are so many *ully or *illy place-names in Suisse Romande? I know of at least Cully, Dully, Pully, Vully, and Lully, plus Prilly, and I'm sure there are more. Interesting, the -lly ending is pronounced more like -wy or -ey, except in Lully, where they do indeed pronounce the 'l's - a friend who lives there could not explain why.

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Old 22.06.2009, 10:21
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Re: Meaning of Swiss place names

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Driving through the sticks in Graubunden today I saw a beautiful old house proudly calling itself Casa Crap
I think it is in Laax where they have a mountain called "Crap San Gion (Stone of St. John)"
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Old 22.06.2009, 11:06
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Re: Meaning of Swiss place names

Correct, saint translates to Sogn in Rhaeto-Romanic, though.
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Old 22.06.2009, 11:50
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I think it is in Laax where they have a mountain called "Crap San Gion (Stone of St. John)"
Thanks, it was close to Laax.
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Old 22.06.2009, 12:08
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Re: Meaning of Swiss place names

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In the Suisse Romande you get place names ending in -az, -oz, -ex. It’s got nothing to do with modern French but it’s a throw back to the franco provençal language which used to be spoken here and in parts of France and Italy. If the “x” or “z” is silent, odds are the place name is a legacy of franco provençal origin - Athenaz, Bernex, Saconnex, Vetroz, Bex, Paudex, Chateau d’Oex.
True, and just when you think you've got it you go over the border to France and you discover that 'x' in Gex or Aix-les-Bains is not silent.

I often wondered why Vichy is pronounced 'Vishy' and Vich (VD) is 'Vick' not 'Vish'.
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Old 22.06.2009, 12:52
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I often wondered why Vichy is pronounced 'Vishy' and Vich (VD) is 'Vick' not 'Vish'.
In most "ch" groups of letters in French the h is conventional and denotes palatalisation. Most "ch" French palatalisations originate from the latin "ca" group (cheval, vache, chaud etc). In Germanic languages it is more often a "sk" group that is palatalised, becoming "sch" in German or "sh" in English.

Had there been a vowel after the ch group in Vich, there's a fair chance it would have become a "sh" type pronunciation...
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Old 22.06.2009, 13:58
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Aha!!! Ja, jetzt isch dä Zwänzger abegheit. I simply didn't see the word play with Bubikon, tits and See. Nice one! Wonder what the ladies say that follow this thread...
Lake titicaca causes quite a few giggles, especially among the sub-adolescents.
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Old 22.06.2009, 14:07
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Your second explanation seems to be the right one. As the German Wiktionary says, "Wallis" derives from the Roman "vallis" for "valley". The Romans used to call it Vallis Poenina.
So no connection to the Valsers? I thought the Valsers was the name of the tribe who settled the Wallis and many other areas besides. Or maybe they named themselves after the place rather than vice-versa?
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Old 22.06.2009, 19:41
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Driving through the sticks in Graubunden today I saw a beautiful old house proudly calling itself Casa Crap
Crap = Rock or mountain in Raeto-Romansh
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Old 22.06.2009, 19:45
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Re: Meaning of Swiss place names

As in Crap Sogn Gion - ah, memories of skiing there...
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So no connection to the Valsers? I thought the Valsers was the name of the tribe who settled the Wallis and many other areas besides...
Yes and no. The Valsers settled places like Arosa and Davos (that's why they don't Speak Alemannic/Swiss German there), also Bosco Gurin in the Ticino (Italian not spoken there).

However did the Valsers not settle the Valais/Wallis (written with only one "l"). Main language in the Valais: French (only North-Eastern part Alemannic/Swiss German).
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What does the suffix -ikon mean?

As in:

Dietikon
Effretikon
Rikon
Zollikon
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Re: What does the suffix -ikon mean?

hamlet

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Re: What does the suffix -ikon mean?

Farm.

http://www.baselland.ch/055-htm.287392.0.html
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Re: What does the suffix -ikon mean?

There is a long thread about place names. I cannot find it just now.
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There is a long thread about place names. I cannot find it just now.

Meaning of Swiss place names
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Re: What does the suffix -ikon mean?

-ikon means farm (Hof) .
I always wondered if there was a place in Switzerland called Nikon: the farm of the knights who say Ni!
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I was born in a Romandie place where the flowers grow. Arrghh, lovely.
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Re: Meaning of Swiss place names

And what did you see in Ecce Homo?

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No,
I haven't seen any rats around Rathausen,
And I saw a sad woman in Lachen,
And I saw blue water in Schwarzsee,
And I have seen tourists in summer in Winterthur
And I have seen Seedorf without a drop of water,
And I didn't find a bookshop in Buchs,
And I have seen people sitting and doing nothing in Laufen,
And I didn't see any shiny stones in Liechtenstein,
And I have seen storm in Greifensee,
And I saw a chicken alone in Egg,
And I have seen open schools on Friday in Samstagern,
And I have seen decent meal in Tageshit,
And I don't know what will happen to wattwil?
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