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Swiss french accent ?french accent ? dialects questions ?

Bonjour tous
Désolé si c'est le mauvais endroit pour cette.
Je me suis demandé si quelqu'un pourrait répondre à quelques questions pour moi.
Ma mère est le suisse français mais elle a vécu à l'étranger pendant longtemps. Mon père n'est pas le Suisse. Il est un homme anglophone, avec l'anglais comme sa première langue mais il parle le bon français.(il est irelandais) J'ai appris le français (je suis incertain comment bon c'est vraiment) mais j'ai appris le dialecte Parisien français ou le français standard.
Je peux converser avec ma mère dans le français. Mais je note que d'autres membres de famille me trouvent difficile de comprendre.
Ils trouvent mon accent étrange. Évidemment mes voyelles diffèrent. Je note qu'ils utilisent de longues voyelles et des voyelles courtes.
Mais les gens français disent que j'ai un accent Suisse!
Je n'aime pas entendre toujours les différences ... Je viens de noter que les voyelles sont différentes longueurs et les Suisses semblent parler plus lentement et je pense que ça sonne plus raffinés ou quelque chose ou peut-être juste plus clair? Quelqu'un m'a dit une fois que Swiss-Français semblait très ancien sur les Français. Ou archaic ou un peu prentious. Et qu'ils sonnaient un peu dramatique ou aristocratique et a paru un peu ridicule parfois. Ou qu'ils sonnaient très grave tous les temps!
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Donc je me demandais quelle est la différence entre un accent suisse et un accent français ? Et quelles sont les différences principales dans le dialecte ?
Comment les gens français trouvent-ils l'accent français suisse ?
Le comprennent-ils facilement ? Ils l'aiment ou le détestent ?
Comment les gens suisses trouvent-ils l'accent français ? Ils l’aiment ou non?
Est-ce que vous êtes le français ? Est-ce que vous êtes un anglophone ? Ou est-ce que vous êtes le suisse français ?
Ou avez-vous vécu en Suisse ou en France ? Ou avez-vous voyagé à l'un ou l'autre pays ?
Quelles sont vos opinions ? J'apprécie toutes vos réponses. Ainsi grâce à chacun d'entre vous qui répond.
Quelles étaient vos expériences ?
Et que pensez-vous d'autres dialectes français et accents si vous souhaitez élargir la conversation?
Avez-vous un favori? Et que pouvez-vous suggérer pour moi?
Thank you .. désolé pour mon mauvais français!

J'ai hâte d'entendre vos réponses en français ou en anglais, je ne me dérange pas :-)
Mais s'il vous plaît pas en allemand. Je suis terrible en allemand!
Je appologise à tous vous-allemand haut-parleurs! La plus douce chose que je puisse faire est de ne pas parler allemand mauvais pour vous.
Croyez-moi, il est mauvais!
Je présente mes excuses à tous ceux qui parlent allemand!
Merci bien!

Ok now the English!
Sorry if this is the wrong place for this kind of thing .....did not know where else to put it.
Ok basically i was wondering what people thought the main differences between the standard French and Swiss French accent.
What do the French think of the swiss French accent and visa versa?

What does it sound like to them?
I have a swiss French mother but i learnt standard French.....but French speakers say i have a slight swiss accent ...as regards vowels and things. But swiss people say no i sound more French .
I am a native English speaker...and i suppose this must influence me too?

I don’t always hear the differences...i just note that vowels are different lengths and swiss people seem to speak more carefully and slowly i think it sounds more refined or something or maybe just clearer?
Someone once told me swiss French sounded old fashioned to French people or archaic and a bit prentious or over the top sometimes ...like they take too much care and sound a bit silly?

To me the accent sounds more clear but maybe less fluid..i don’t know what do others think??

What do the French think of the swiss French accent and what to the swiss French think of the french accent.
Or any other accents in French if you want to broaden itJ
Sorry i can write in german....i cant speak it very well trust me you don’t want to hear it....i am a native English speaker who speaks French as a second language.Sorry to you german speakers!

Seemingly with some kind of swiss-french /French hybrid accent!

Any thoughts or which accent do you like most and why? Are you French or swiss or an Anglophone what are the differences?

And any suggestions for me? I don’t want to sound like a freak!
Thanks for your replies.
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What do the French think of the swiss French accent and visa versa?
My native teenage French/French speaker just answered the above question: "they kindof sound stupid and happy at the same time.".

And to me who is mi-mi; the Swiss-French accent sounds like country folk speaking, perhaps a bit backward and simple.
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Re: Swiss french accent ?french accent ? dialects questions ?

Lou, if you wrote the above paragraphs in French without the benefit of a translator, you are lightyears ahead of 99.9% of the people on this forum.
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My native teenage French/French speaker just answered the above question: "they kindof sound stupid and happy at the same time.".

And to me who is mi-mi; the Swiss-French accent sounds like country folk speaking, perhaps a bit backward and simple.
Thats really interesting! I knew it sounded sort of old fashioned...i was not sure how though

I am trying to develop more of an awareness to better my french.

I suppose standard french is the way to go?
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Re: Swiss french accent ?french accent ? dialects questions ?

What is standard French? We had the same question about German in another thread. There is no such thing! Although that the Aliance Française is probably going to oppose. There is just a plentitude of different accents/dialects/patois in the French speaking world. The Swiss French (les romands) speak just one of them. And again the Canadians (les québequois, to be exact), the Belgians, the Luxembourgers and the Italians (yes, they speak French, too)... The French as such recognize of course that we (the Swiss) have a distinct accent, some even call it "génial"
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Re: Swiss french accent ?french accent ? dialects questions ?

also reminds me a bit of quebecois french, in terms of being a bit old fashioned or country-like but i am no expert by any means... i wouldnt worry too much about what people think- they will always think something anyway important thing is that they think!
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Lou, if you wrote the above paragraphs in French without the benefit of a translator, you are lightyears ahead of 99.9% of the people on this forum.
No translator ..but i dont know about that ! LOL

I think i sound very formal in french....and bear in mind i was typing not speaking so time to think!

And i am sure it would sound all wrong to a native speaker. Many mistakes

Also this is another strange thing....when i write something first in french...i cant seem to say exactly the same thing in english...i dont know why...obviously the languages work differently. I mean i can say it...but well it seem different or in order to get the true meaning i have to say it differently . i feel ...does anyone else have this?

And also i can't say exactly the same thing in french....it is weird!

I was going to at first try to write word for word what i first wrote in french in english....but then i realized it sounded strange in english to me whereas it sounded exactly like what i was trying to say in french ( minus mistakes !)
I suppose that is is normal? Or maybe not!
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What is standard French? We had the same question about German in another thread. There is no such thing! Although that the Aliance Française is probably going to oppose. There is just a plentitude of different accents/dialects/patois in the French speaking world. The Swiss French (les romands) speak just one of them. And again the Canadians (les québequois, to be exact), the Belgians, the Luxembourgers and the Italians (yes, they speak French, too)... The French as such recognize of course that we (the Swiss) have a distinct accent, some even call it "génial"
Standard french = the french accent with which everyone will understand me and think i am cool sophisticated and very good at french! LOL

I understand what you mean....although i find quebeqois french very harsh or something ..the accent ..i dont think i could ever do it....and they come up with modern phrases for things like chien chaut ( hot dog apparrantly!) that are all their own!

Which is great! I think the belgian accent sounds similar to the swiss one or is that just me?

I think though suppose i would want to be understood well and feel i could understand most dialects....

Even in frane they have such a wide range of accents....i had supposed the standard ( that word again!) parisian french one was the easiest to understand?
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Even in france they have such a wide range of accents....i had supposed the standard ( that word again!) parisian french one was the easiest to understand?
Television French (news, game shows anything dubbed) is probably the easiest to understand. The true Paris accent is quite harsh, almost Cockney-like.
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Re: Swiss french accent ?french accent ? dialects questions ?

Well I am French. I thought there was a suisse accent, but I cannot hear one on TSR or French speaking swiss radio. On the contrary, they speak unaccentuated French as far as I can tell. Now I have not wandered into the french speaking canton villages yet.
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Re: Swiss french accent ?french accent ? dialects questions ?

Lou, maybe you would benefit for conversation classes in French ?

I do hope you will take this kindly, but I don't really believe that people don't understand you in French because of your accent, but because of the structure of your sentences.

May I guess that you are most probably fluent in a latin language such as Italian or Spanish ?

Swiss French or French French are very close, there are just a few region specific words that differ. On the other hand if you were to spend time with some of the lovely elderly people of Switzerland when they speak their local "patois", then you would really see a difference. Patois covers various dialects and is quite delightful to listen to. I would not consider regular Swiss French a dialect though.

Congrats for your level of French !
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Lou, maybe you would benefit for conversation classes in French ?

I do hope you will take this kindly, but I don't really believe that people don't understand you in French because of your accent, but because of the structure of your sentences.

May I guess that you are most probably fluent in a latin language such as Italian or Spanish ?

Swiss French or French French are very close, there are just a few region specific words that differ. On the other hand if you were to spend time with some of the lovely elderly people of Switzerland when they speak their local "patois", then you would really see a difference. Patois covers various dialects and is quite delightful to listen to. I would not consider regular Swiss French a dialect though.

Congrats for your level of French !
No thats cool:-)

I have spanish....although i learnt only form living there as a kid for a bit..so i dont know how good it is...but wow you could tell?

How ? Thats really cool?

Yeah i guess i would want to make the structure of my sentences more natural and more native i suppose?
And improve grammar etc

I hate sounding weird and making mistakes!

I get really shy about it! It is hard especially if people in you family are french speaking perfectly you feel you should ..but we never really did much....and i only really asked to converse with them in french recently but they are so perfect....and they never correct me as they kind of get what i am saying!And i get self conscious...it is hard speaking in front of people who already speak it!

I spent some time in france...but again no formal lessons.

I try to write a little in french each day ....i read a lot of french books ....but i am starting french converstaion classes soon ..hopefully i will improve and then feel more confident.
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...Swiss French or French French are very close, there are just a few region specific words that differ...
I'm sure you won't say so anymore after having read this:

HISTOIRE DE VAUDOIS

Ce matin-là, mécol, le Taguenet, j'avais peu d'accouet, j'étais tout moindre. Mais après avoir enfilé mon pantet, je m'emmode. Je vais d'un pas quelque peu vigousse retrouver ma bouèbe pour la cocoler, oui, car je fréquente.


The whole text is to be found here. Have fun!
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I'm sure you won't say so anymore after having read this:

HISTOIRE DE VAUDOIS

Ce matin-là, mécol, le Taguenet, j'avais peu d'accouet, j'étais tout moindre. Mais après avoir enfilé mon pantet, je m'emmode. Je vais d'un pas quelque peu vigousse retrouver ma bouèbe pour la cocoler, oui, car je fréquente.


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Much like in France, French Switzerland has systematically wiped out any trace of local dialects by means of education in a standardised language.

You could find a variety of patois texts like the above in France as well, but would be hard-pressed to find anyone who is actually fluent in them.
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I'm sure you won't say so anymore after having read this:

HISTOIRE DE VAUDOIS

Ce matin-là, mécol, le Taguenet, j'avais peu d'accouet, j'étais tout moindre. Mais après avoir enfilé mon pantet, je m'emmode. Je vais d'un pas quelque peu vigousse retrouver ma bouèbe pour la cocoler, oui, car je fréquente.


The whole text is to be found here. Have fun!
You didn't read the 2nd part of my message
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Could easily be
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I'm sure you won't say so anymore after having read this:

HISTOIRE DE VAUDOIS

Ce matin-là, mécol, le Taguenet, j'avais peu d'accouet, j'étais tout moindre. Mais après avoir enfilé mon pantet, je m'emmode. Je vais d'un pas quelque peu vigousse retrouver ma bouèbe pour la cocoler, oui, car je fréquente.


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C'est ce que je parle!


Cette phrase m'a fait rire!
«Lors D'UNE Laquelle rioule Durant CERTAINS clients avaient trop sacrifié à Bacchus APRES AVOIR pintoillé '

Il a été sur les gens qui se battaient et causant des ennuis.

Je suppose que cela signifié Quelque choisi Comme ils buvaient trop ou trop Baudy la veille? Et je suppose Qu'ils souffraient pour le faire maintenant ou Quelque choisi ..
C'est cool Une Façon de le mettre.

I read it a couple of times ...i could understandmost of it...

When they are describing their day outside ...and getting up down the hill and finding the house they sleep in etc.

When his girlfriend is complaining about the long descent because she is afraid of getting hurt etc ...i had to read that a few times!

ALso when he explains about the bad weather and everything was soaked through ...and he cleans it with a mop and stuff.
.some words for somethings i had to sort of gather from the rest of it..i would not have understood 'serpillère' to mean brush or mop if he had not explained he was clearing puddles to prevent clumsy accidents'

' il fallait éviter qu'un taborniau ou une bedoume, dont les quinquets étaient encore tous collés, ne viennent s'encoubler dans ce patrigot et cupesser tout à côté dans le ruclon qui sentait encore le brûlon, souvenir d'un feu qui couvait encore depuis la veille au soir.'
it is necessary(to clean it up) to prevent some fool with his ears still glued together ( or wet behind the ears) from becoming entangled in this riot and fall into the rubbish which which still smelt of burning ...a memory of a fire started the night before since'?

Now that is NEVER how you would say it in standard french!

Lors D'UNE Laquelle rioule Durant CERTAINS clients avaient trop sacrifié à Bacchus APRES AVOIR pintoillé '
Some customers has sacrificed too much to bacchus...i am going to start using this in english!
This made me laugh....and although it was perhaps one of the more out there expressions i know what it meant straight away maybe because it was so cool!

Just a couple of things if some one could help me with

Ok when they are in the inn with the police man and the troublemakers and they call the innkeepers daughter...
'Juchés sur des trabedzets quelque peu branlants, nous appelâmes la fille de l'aubergiste, une grande berclure, pouète comme un épouvantial à moineaux et raide comme la justice de Berne. '
We are perched shakely on chairs (trapezes?Weird chairs?) somewhat shakely, we called the daughter of the innkeeper, (une grande berclure) (berclure = haricot vert?=ugly in this case?) as ugly as a scarecrow and as stiff as the justice of bern??

SO i would say in English....ugly like a scarecrow and stiff or rigid as the justice of bern?? Or just ugly as a scarecrow and stiff ...or something?

Then it says her appearance caused them to roll with laughter and after that sticky situation ( a pot of glue??) they ate local cakes etc ( they go into descriptions) one made with powdered nuts etc. and bits of cheese with alchohol?
Also one more thing.... near the begining

'Comme ce n'était pas une mijaurée, tout en lui caressant le cotzon, je lui propose de se préparer à prendre un traclet pour se rendre sur un becquet de par là-haut.'
It sounds rude at first to me...

I thought at first it meant literally fondling from behind ....but then realized it probably meant to coax someone or persuade them maybe or maybe it does mean he was fondling her ?? Is he trying to persuade her to take the ski lift to the summit or stroking her back as he offers to get a ski lift to the summit?
I think that would be an important thing to get straight as i could see a mistake like that causing much embarrassment!

Thank you so much for the article..it was really interesting...it seems really different...sort of ....full of metaphor and stuff...

Although i dont know if i could speak like that.

The bacchus one is making its way into english. Or at least my english LOL:-)

By the way how common would a dialect or patois like that be now?

How different would french swiss with more standard french have found it....or other french peakers do you think?

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Re: Swiss french accent ?french accent ? dialects questions ?

Oh and by the way Berclure = haricot vert?? Grean bean =ugly .

Is that right?

I had to look for berclure and could only find it in a french -swiss french dictionary for Haricot vert.. 'une grande berclure, pouète comme un épouvantial à moineaux' .so i presume it means she was as ugly as a scarecrow ? Or would you say something else?
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Re: Swiss french accent ?french accent ? dialects questions ?

This thread makes me think of my freshman year of high school (whatever that comes out to here, age about 14)... trying to learn French while living in Cajun country (extreme southeast Texas) but our teacher was Tejana (Spanish roots) from west Texas and I'd moved from California just the year before.


Good luck with your French lou.m!
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