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Old 12.07.2010, 20:30
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(Almost) ZOP/C2 in three months

I came across an interesting blog recently, www.fluentin3months.com.
He's an Irish engineer who's been travelling around for a few years picking up languages as he moves. He had studied German to leaving certificate level, getting a C grade about which isn't a sign of a stellar language scholar. And this was about 10 years ago. He's now fluent in several languages according to his "language hacking" approach.
Anyway, once he hit Germany three months ago, he gave himself three months from the basic leaving cert level, to prepare for the C2 exam, the ZOP.

Today his results came in. And while he didn't get the required grades for the ZOP he passed most of the parts, failing only the listening comprehension part outright.

Yesterday I hit three years in Switzerland, and am studying for my C1 German exam next January. I was planning on giving myself another year for C2, but maybe I'm doing something wrong...
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Old 13.07.2010, 10:13
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Re: (Almost) ZOP/C2 in three months

It is nearly impossible to pass ZOP in three months. You need to have excellent memory to do that!! I also don't see the purpose, though. Anyway, passing a test does not mean the person is fluent in the language.

I came to Switzerland two years ago with A1 level of German. Passed B1 (good) in 10 months, B2 (good) in 15 months, C1 (saisfactory) in 19 months. In the beginning I wanted to reach fluency in a short period, so I attended intensive courses and registered for the exam as soon as I felt ready. B1 and B2 were easy. C1 on the other hand was quite a big step away from B2. But it was doable. Still, I would not call myself fluent.

Right now I am taking C2 classes in EB Zurich. This time I decided to give myself more time, because C2 is a lot more advanced than C1. I would say to give yourself at least 1 year. Make sure you take a course. I am sure you are on the right track.

ZOP exam is about subsituting an expression or a word with another. One needs to be familiar with prepositions and cases. You need to also write an assay during the exam. This makes the ZOP quite different from the other tests. Even native speakers would find it difficult without any prior training. I say, it is not necessary to take this exam unless your work requires German.
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Old 13.07.2010, 10:57
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Re: (Almost) ZOP/C2 in three months

To the OP:

"If you could tell a man where the path to enlightenment was, he would have already told his brother"

I looked at this guy's site for 5 mins and good luck to him, it's a nice angle on learning language, but, he's doing it for a living and to promote his book(s).
Also by the time you get past knowing 3 Western European languages, then learning the rest is about application and time to practice.

Language is a very personal thing and there are no silver bullets unless you have some kind of amazing memory. You sound like you are doing just fine, so stick with it.
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Re: (Almost) ZOP/C2 in three months

I've been reading up recently about learning German and apparently after 600-800 45 min lessons you should be B2-C1 level. I'm learning German, so this is great; I've had more than double that number of lessons in my life. Yeeha! But I can barely string a sentence together.
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Re: (Almost) ZOP/C2 in three months

I admire the guy though I can not image how he can do it in three months. I have learned German for exactly three months but I can barely speak. That's really really frustrating compared with what he achieved. The thing is that I can build sentences in mind but it takes time to speak them out. I need some seconds to come up with the right words and then some seconds to put them in order, and again some seconds to speak the whole sentence out word by word. If I am having German conversation with a person, he(she) would need tons of patience waiting for my answer or leave me alone.
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