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"4-Augen Prinzip" - what's that in English without using a whole sentence?

Right, I am sat inside in this gorgeous weather, trying to do a translation that is basically German manager speak BS bingo. They are big on the "4-Augen Prinzip", which is where one person does the work and another person checks it. I would say double check but that could be done by the same person and it's important to have it be clear that two people must do the task.

Any ideas, in particular from those with US English, which is what I have to translate into? I've googled and thought and everything, trust me...
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Old 31.07.2010, 16:54
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Re: "4-Augen Prinzip" - what's that in English without using a whole sentence?

Vier Augen Prinzip - translation here.

Rule of Two in EN.
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Old 31.07.2010, 16:57
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Re: "4-Augen Prinzip" - what's that in English without using a whole sentence?

The only thing that comes to mind is quality control, but that's usually manufacturing...
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Re: "4-Augen Prinzip" - what's that in English without using a whole sentence?

I saw the four-eye principle thing in LEO and then asked a few English speakers who haven't worked in Switzerland whether they knew what it meant - they reckoned they didn't. Two-man rule makes sense but I have been told I have to used gender-neutral terminology at all times (I HATE pointless political correctness!).

Thank you though for taking the time to look on Wikipedia, I hadn't thought of that myself.
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Old 31.07.2010, 17:10
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Re: "4-Augen Prinzip" - what's that in English without using a whole sentence?

Independently double checked / Independent double checking?
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Re: "4-Augen Prinzip" - what's that in English without using a whole sentence?

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That could work. I'll try and see if the two-man rule flies with them after all first though, since it seems to be an accepted term in general. There's being PC and then there's being unclear.
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Re: "4-Augen Prinzip" - what's that in English without using a whole sentence?

From what I've read it seems that "the four eyes principle" does work in English as management BS.

Alternatives however are:-

A second set of eyes
dual control
double check
two heads are better than one

Depends really on context, how much your manger is into the MBS, and how formal the document has to be.
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Re: "4-Augen Prinzip" - what's that in English without using a whole sentence?

2 pairs of eyes.

Of course, in reality, as opposed to principle, I yell over to my colleague 'Hey, Heidi, approve this for me'. So an extra step is added without any benefit.

Auditors should be shot on sight.
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Re: "4-Augen Prinzip" - what's that in English without using a whole sentence?

peer review.
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Re: "4-Augen Prinzip" - what's that in English without using a whole sentence?

"witnessed", "counter-signed" or "counter-witnessed".
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Re: "4-Augen Prinzip" - what's that in English without using a whole sentence?

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That could work. I'll try and see if the two-man rule flies with them after all first though, since it seems to be an accepted term in general. There's being PC and then there's being unclear.
Second pair of eyes?
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Re: "4-Augen Prinzip" - what's that in English without using a whole sentence?

cross-checked?
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Re: "4-Augen Prinzip" - what's that in English without using a whole sentence?

"four eyes review"
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Re: "4-Augen Prinzip" - what's that in English without using a whole sentence?

You can't use that, it would be derogatory to spectacles wearers.
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Re: "4-Augen Prinzip" - what's that in English without using a whole sentence?

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Re: "4-Augen Prinzip" - what's that in English without using a whole sentence?

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You can't use that, it would be derogatory to spectacles wearers.
it's actually what we called it when i was working in the uk. i've never seen it in german before.
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Re: "4-Augen Prinzip" - what's that in English without using a whole sentence?

Second set of eyes would probably be most appropriate...
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Re: "4-Augen Prinzip" - what's that in English without using a whole sentence?

My auditor colleagues say "the four-eyes principle" and it seems to be understood internationally among the species. It made me laugh at first too because it does sound like you need a nerdy guy with specs to get a good job.

But if you're looking for something more universal your "two-man" (or "two-person" if you have to be PC) solution was perfectly clear.
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Re: "4-Augen Prinzip" - what's that in English without using a whole sentence?

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cross-checked?
There`s your answer.
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Re: "4-Augen Prinzip" - what's that in English without using a whole sentence?

I would say it is:

separation of duties
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